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�� The Most Powerful

�� Man In The World?

�� The "Black" Pope

� ��Count Hans Kolvenbach�The Jesuit�s General

�� 4/15/00 RICK MARTIN

�� So, you thought you were pretty well informed by now about all of the

�� main players on the "conspiracy" playing field? You�ve maybe been

�� hearing for years about (or bumped into on your own) the various

�� elements of society who control our world from behind the scenes.

�� You�ve gotten familiar with the role played by, for instance, the

�� Khazarian Zionists (who invented the word "Jew" to disguise their

�� adopted heritage, as distinguished from the biblical Judeans), or the role

�� played by the Banksters (banking gangsters) controlling the economies

�� of the world, by the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations), the Trilateral

�� Commission, the Bilderbergers, the Committee of 300 (the 17 wealthiest

�� so‑called "elite" families)�the Rothschild's in England and Rockefellers

�� in America and Bronfman's in Canada, and on and on, comprising the

�� physical power structure of the New World Order puppets under the

�� direction of darkly motivated, other‑dimensional "master deceivers"

�� commonly known as Lucifer or Satan and their "fallen angel" cohorts.

�� While all of those details contribute to understanding the Larger Picture,

�� what you are about to read fills in a most important Missing Link in this

�� entire structure. And I don�t mean a little side issue; I mean a link so

�� central�yet so well hidden from general public view, and for so

�� long�that even the most studied of "conspiracy theory" scholars

�� probably have not put together much of the information that is going to

�� be presented here.

�� To call the following outlay "controversial" and "sensitive" is about as

�� mild an understatement of the truth of the matter as can be made! This

�� missing link changes the entire slant of the entire playing field!

�� After months of anticipation and weeks of preparation, I was finally able

�� to speak with Vatican Assassins author Eric Jon Phelps on Tuesday,

�� March 14. There was simply no other way to cover Eric�s historic

�� masterpiece spanning, literally, five centuries, than to just ask questions

�� covering huge spans of time and major historical events. It took us

�� almost four hours to accomplish the task, yet we could easily have gone

�� on for another forty.

�� We here at The SPECTRUM are simply unwilling to reduce the

�� importance of this work by presenting it in a too distilled fashion. In fact,

�� in order to share this material with at least some of the pertinent backup,

� ��Eric has granted us permission to print (directly after the interview)

�� several excerpts from his soon‑to‑be‑published book which will help

�� you in understanding certain aspects of this magnificently important and

�� broad‑sweeping story. The missing link is surely a central link.

�� Let�s call this story the "Jesuit‑Vatican connection" to the unfolding New

�� World Order agenda. You make up your own mind just how absolutely

�� central, yet well hidden, has been this link! There�s a good reason the

�� secret Vatican library is so extensive and yet remains so intact from

�� outside intrusion, despite the many others who would like to possess

�� such a collection of information detailing much "censored" data about our

�� true, otherworldly cultural heritage.

�� When one reads a work like Vatican Assassins, one can�t help but

�� reflect back on the purposely "adjusted" and watered down and boring

�� moments in high school history class. Meanwhile, the true history of

�� what has gone on is dynamic and full of calculated intrigue.

�� In this business, I�ve heard and read a lot of things. But when I had to

�� pick my jaw up off the floor during the reading of certain historical

�� portions in Eric�s book�well, let me just say that Truth certainly is

�� stranger, and far more interesting, than the many fictions we�ve been led

�� to believe are historical fact. And yet The Truth does fit together like the

�� pieces of a jigsaw puzzle.

�� This book SHOULD be a best‑seller, but it is hardly likely to achieve

�� such general attention�considering how well controlled and censored is

�� the publishing business. Thus is the reason for our lengthy presentation of

�� this most astonishing and critically important material here in The

�� SPECTRUM.

�� We are in a time of Truth being revealed from all directions. And there is

�� probably no more fundamental, mind‑rattling, and previous

�� notions‑shattering example of that than what is being presented here.

�� The interview is directly followed by a number of pertinent excerpts from

�� Eric�s eye‑opening book�which will be available July 1.

�� [Editor�s note: It should be noted up‑front that the information

�� presented below is the studied opinion of Eric Jon Phelps. We here at

�� The SPECTRUM find much about his presentation of his historical

�� research which meshes with and expands upon Truth which has been

�� presented by many other authors in these pages and elsewhere. And

�� that is good; Truth is Truth is Truth, and should all mesh.

�� However, for the peace of mind of our unique readership�which

�� typically has cultivated a more aware spiritual perspective than the

�� general public�we do not want to give the impression that we agree

�� with (or wish to promote) some collateral aspects of Eric�s

�� presentation having to do with his personal "religious" convictions.

�� The focus of those convictions follows a much more biblically

�� conventional (literal) path�in stark contrast to the unconventional,

�� questioning, wide‑angle vision of his historical material.

�� Generally such opinions are simply allowed to stand on their

�� own�for you to sort and interpret as you see fit�rather than being

�� singled‑out to be addressed editorially. However, in this case, the

�� practical side of Eric�s stated religious convictions include the

�� condoning of some degree of violence (or violent protest) and use of

�� armaments. And such convictions are very much the opposite of our

�� philosophical position�for many reasons, not the least of which is

�� the obvious Adversarial bait‑and‑entrapment which would result from

�� choosing what we would consider to be low‑frequency responses to

�� schoolroom Earth�s current challenges.

�� Yet, if the perceptive reader penetrates "between the lines"

�� thoughtfully, there is glimpsed a recurring commendable spiritual

�� message in Eric�s commentary�of "Have the courage to speak The

�� Truth" and "God helps those who help themselves"�which we

�� certainly DO agree with wholeheartedly and have long supported

�� enthusiastically.

�� We are in the time of the Great Awakening on this planet. The Light

�� of Truth, intensifying with each passing moment, is nudging many to

�� step forward and share what they know. Will such ones follow that

�� nudge or continue to hide in fear? The answer to that question is

�� perhaps the most important aspect of schoolroom Earth�s relentless

�� testing at this critical time.

�� One last‑minute footnote before beginning this interview: The Arts &

�� Entertainment (A&E) cable television channel just started to air�on

�� Easter Sunday evening!�a new two‑hour documentary called: The

�� Vatican Revealed. Tape it so you can study it carefully; within the

�� lines of dialog and some of those people chosen for commentaries

�� are many, many clues to the true power of the Vatican over world

�� affairs. It would, of course, be much more revealing to watch the

�� A&E program AFTER having read and digested the following.]

�� Martin: Before we begin, let me say a few words. The topic of your

�� book is so comprehensive and covers, literally, all aspects of global

�� control by the Jesuits, dating back to 1540. I would like to begin our

�� conversation with a very important point of clarification so that our

�� readers have something to hold onto while reading the historical narrative

�� we are about to present. Let me also add that your book is one of the

�� most compelling, dynamic, genuinely educational historical documents I

�� have ever read. I want to tell you, I am impressed!

�� You, literally, link every major global conflict and political assassination

�� to the hands of the Jesuit Order. The Jews, as with many other groups

�� you mention, have been the unwitting pawns in this Jesuit Agenda.

�� Today, the present. I�m going to start here, and then we�re going to go

�� way back in time and work our way up. But, I want to start HERE

�� because it will give a foundation for going back in time.

�� Today, who is the Superior General of the Jesuits, the so‑called "Black

�� Pope" [black here refers to hidden, evil activities, not to race or

�� color] who gives the orders to the actual Pope. Is it still Jean‑Baptist

�� Janssens?

�� Phelps: Janssens, Frenchman. No, he passed away in 1964. Then

�� Pedro Arrupe came to power. Then, after Arrupe died, in 1988, I

�� believe, the present Jesuit General is Count Hans Kolvenbach. [See

�� photo nearby.] I call him Count Hans Kolvenhoof.

�� Martin: Let�s discuss this position of "General" and, in addition, who is

�� this person, Count Hans Kolvenbach? Who does he serve? What are

�� his origins? Where does he hail from?

�� Phelps: The present General is a Dutchman, his nationality is Dutch.

�� Martin: Where is he? Physically, where is he?

�� Phelps: He resides in Rome, at the headquarters of the Jesuits, called

�� the Church of Jesu. So, the Jesuit General resides in Rome at, what I

�� just called, the Jesuit headquarters.

�� Martin: The Church of Jesu, is that near the Vatican?

�� Phelps: It�s not far from the Vatican, right. It�s in the same general area.

�� It�s headquarters of the Knights of Malta.

�� Martin: Is it part of Vatican City, proper?

�� Phelps: Right, I believe, yes it is.

�� Martin: Where does Satan fit into this picture, and what is the ultimate

�� goal of the Jesuits, the so‑called Society of Jesus?

�� Phelps: The Jesuit General, and the other high Jesuit Generals, they are

�� sorcerers. They are Luciferians, and they worship what they would call

�� Lucifer. They do not believe in Satan. They believe in Lucifer.

�� Now, according to Alberto Rivera, he was invited�because he was a

�� top Jesuit at the time in the late �60s�he was invited to a "Black Mass"

�� in Spain where there were quite a few top Jesuit Generals present. And

�� he called it a "Black Mass". Well, when you�re involved in a "Black

�� Mass", you�re involved in the worship of Lucifer, all dressed in their

�� black capes and so on.

�� Martin: I�m fascinated by Count Hans Kolvenbach because nobody in

�� the world knows who this person is. I�ve never heard the name.

�� Phelps: Let me just tell you that you can see his picture and his top

�� Jesuits�just a second and I�ll get the book. The name of the book is

�� called Jesuits: A Multi‑Biography, by Jean Lacoutre, and that is

�� available, usually, in the bookstores. It was published in 1995.

�� Jean Lacoutre is a Frenchman. He was a communist, is a communist. On

�� the last page of the pictures in it, that is right adjacent to page 343, you

�� see Peter Hans Kolvenbach. He�s the Jesuit General, and he looks like

�� just a very evil individual. There�s a Black man, who�s a high Jesuit, he�s

�� a 29 Superior Jesuit with his cosmopolitan General staff. One of the

�� General staff looks like Ben Kingsley of Shindler�s List. There are six

�� White men, and one Black man. And that�s his General staff.

�� Martin: What is the process of choosing a successor General?

�� Phelps: The High Jesuits elect him, and he�s elected for life�unless he

�� becomes a "heretic".

�� Martin: And the so‑called "High Jesuits" represent what group?

�� Phelps: I would say that they�re the "professed", the high 4th Degree.

�� When a Jesuit is professed, he is under the Jesuit Oath; he is under the

�� "Bloody Oath" that I have in my book.

�� Martin: Do we have permission to reprint that Oath in our paper?

�� Phelps: Of course, absolutely.

�� Martin: One of my questions has to do with the Oath and it�s similarity

�� to the Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion, and I wrote that

�� question before I got back to the Protocols portion of your book.

�� Phelps: The Jesuits obviously wrote the Protocols because they have

�� carried out every protocol in that little handbook. They have carried

�� everything out. And, Alberto Rivera says�and he was a Jesuit�he was

�� greatly maligned, not helped at all by the Apostate, Protestants, and

�� Baptists in this country; he was helped, somewhat, by Jack Chick. Jack

�� Chick published his story in six volumes, titled Alberto I, II, III, IV, V, &

�� VI.

�� Alberto Rivera says that it was Jews aligned with the Pope who

�� published the Protocols. Well, I tend to feel that it was just the Jesuits

�� themselves because they, and they alone, were the ones who were able

�� to bring this to pass.

�� They�re the ones in the government. They�re the ones behind

�� professional sports. The owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers is a Knight of

�� Malta. The owner of the Detroit Lions is a Knight of Malta. All your top

�� owners of these ball clubs, for the most part, are Knights of Malta,

�� getting the people whooped up in this hoopla over games and sports,

�� while they�re busy creating a tyranny. So, that was one of the things in

�� the Protocols�that they would create "amusements".

�� Another one they used was Walt Disney, 33rd‑degree

�� Freemason�Disneyworld, Disneyland. Another one was Milton

�� Hersey, with Hersey Park. They create all of these amusements and

�� games and pastimes to get the people drunk with pleasure, while they�re

�� busy overthrowing the Protestant form of government.

�� Martin: Where does Las Vegas factor into all of this?

�� Phelps: Las Vegas, well, for the most part, is controlled by the Mafia.

�� But all the high Mafia families are Roman Catholic, and they are ALL

�� subordinate to the Pope or to the Cardinal of New York, which is

�� Cardinal O�Connor�because the Commission, the Mafia Commission

�� resides in New York.

�� Frank Costello was a member of the Mob Commission, and he was

�� intimate, personal friends with Knight of Malta, Hollywood mogul, Joe

�� Kennedy. And that has not changed.

�� So, the High Knights are good, dear brothers with the High Mafia

�� Dons�the Gambinos, the Lucchese, the Columbos, all of them. And

�� they control Hollywood, not the Jews. It�s only Jews who are front‑men

�� who are involved in Hollywood and working for the Mafia and for the

�� Cardinal, just like in politics it would be Arlen Spector. Arlen Spector

�� was Spelly�s [Cardinal Spellman�s] Jew in the assassination [of

�� President Kennedy], and he would never say a word about it.

�� Martin: Now, as we go through here, if there�s anything that you don�t

�� want me to print, please let me know because, literally, I�m going to

�� print everything we say in this conversation.

�� Phelps: That�s fine, that�s fine with me because it needs to be said.

�� Martin: Let�s get back to Count Hans Kolvenbach. I want to shine the

�� spotlight on this guy for just a little bit here. Let�s talk about him. What

�� does he do? Who is he? Let�s talk about his position as "General". How

�� do they exercise this control over the Pope? Does the Pope know he�s a

�� pawn?

�� Phelps: Ok, one question at a time. So, which question do you want me

�� to deal with?

�� Martin: Let�s just shine the light right on the Count.

�� Phelps: The Jesuit General, ok.

�� Martin: Let�s start there, and you tell me everything you want to tell me

�� about that position.

�� Phelps: The Jesuit General is the absolute, complete, and total dictator

�� and autocrat of the Order. When he speaks, his provincials move. The

�� provincials are his major subordinates. There are around 83 provincials

�� right now.

�� As I understand it, the Jesuit Order has divided the world into 83

�� regions. Ok? For each region, there is a Jesuit provincial. There are 10

�� provincials in the United States. There is one for Central America. There

�� is one for Ireland. They�ve divided up the world into these provinces.

�� So it�s old Babylonian provincial government, centered in

�� Nebuchadnezzar or the Jesuit General himself; so it�s strictly a Roman

�� form of government where all the states or provinces are subordinate to

�� this worldwide sovereign.

�� The Jesuit General exercises full and complete power over the Order.

�� He meets with his provincials. When they decide to start a war or an

�� agitation, he gets the information from the provincial of that country, how

�� best to go about this, the demeanor of the people, and then he uses

�� legitimate grievances to foam an agitation�like the 1964 Civil Rights

�� Movement. That was ALL a Jesuit agitation, completely, because the

�� end result was more consolidation of power in Washington with the

�� 1964 Civil Rights Act that was written by [the longtime President of the

�� University of Notre Dame, the Reverend] Theodore Hesburgh.

�� The Jesuit General rules the world through his provincials. And the

�� provincials then, of course, rule the lower Jesuits, and there are many

�� Jesuits who are not "professed", so many of the lower Jesuits have no

�� idea what�s going on at the top. They have no concept of the power of

�� their Order.

�� It�s just like Freemasonry. The lower� have no idea that the High Shriner

�� Freemasons are working for the Jesuit General. They think that they�re

�� just doing works and being good people. But the bottom line is that the

�� high‑level Freemasons are subject, also, to the Jesuit General because

�� the Jesuit General, with Fredrick the Great, wrote the High Degrees, the

�� last 8 Degrees, of the Scottish Rite Freemasonry when Fredrick

�� protected them when they were suppressed by the Pope in 1773.

�� So, you have the alignment with the Jesuit Order and the most powerful

�� Freemason they had in the craft, Fredrick the Great, during their

�� suppression. That is an irrefutable conclusion. And then, when you see

�� the Napoleonic Wars, the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars

�� carried out by Freemasonry, everything Napoleon did, and the Jacobins,

�� whatever they did, completely benefited the Jesuit Order.

�� It�s to this end that Alexander Dumas wrote his The Count Of Monte

�� Cristo. The Count is the Jesuit General. Monte=Mount, Cristo=Christ.

�� The Count of the Mount of Christ. Alexander Dumas was talking about

�� the Jesuit General getting vengeance when the Jesuits were suppressed,

�� and many of them were consigned to an island, three hours sailing, West,

�� off the coast of Portugal. And so, when the Jesuits finally regained their

�� power, they punished all of the monarchs of Europe who had

�� suppressed them, drove them from their thrones, including the Knights of

�� Malta from Malta, using Napoleon.

�� And Alexander Dumas, who fought for the Italian patriots in 1848, to

�� free Rome from the temporal power of the Pope, wrote many books

�� and one of the books was to expose this, and that was The Count Of

�� Monte Cristo.

�� So, when you read that book, bear in mind that it�s really a satire on the

�� Jesuit Order regaining their power in France. The Count of Monte

�� Cristo has an intelligence apparatus that can�t be beat. Well, that�s the

�� Jesuit Order.

�� But the Count doesn�t get what he really ought to have, or his last wish,

�� and that�s the love of woman. He gains back all of his political power; he

�� gains back everything he lost; but he doesn�t have the love of a woman.

�� And THAT is the Jesuit Order. They have no women. They have no

�� love of a woman. Because to have a wife, to have a woman, means you

�� have an allegiance to your wife and family, and you cannot obey the

�� General. That�s why they will NEVER be married, and that�s one of the

�� great KEYS to their success.

�� They can betray a nation and walk away. They can betray all the Irish

�� Catholics getting on the Titanic, and walk away. They can betray us in

�� Vietnam and walk away. They can betray us every time we go to the

�� hospital and get radiated and cut and drugged, and walk away, because

�� it�s "for the greater glory of God"�Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam: the

�� greater glory of the god who sits in Rome.

�� Martin: What is the ULTIMATE goal of the Jesuits?

�� Phelps: Their ultimate goal is the rule of the world, with the Pope of

�� their making, from Solomon�s rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem. That�s their

�� ultimate goal.

�� Martin: And why is Solomon�s Temple rebuilt so important?

�� Phelps: Because the Jesuits have always wanted that. When Ignatius

�� Loyola first started the Order, one of the first things he did was, he

�� wanted to go to Jerusalem and set up the Jesuit headquarters there. So,

�� he went there, he tried to do it and failed, came back, went to school,

�� started his Latin studies, etc. Maybe it might be a good idea to just

�� review a little bit about Ignatius Loyola.

�� Martin: Yes.

�� Phelps: Ok, Ignatius Loyola was a Spanish soldier, and he was

�� wounded at a battle between the French and the Spanish, and his leg

�� was shattered. Well, the French General, because Loyola was very

�� brave in conflict, ordered his own doctors to attend Loyola. So they set

�� the leg and sent him back to his home�which, of course, he was royalty

�� to the Counsel of Loyola in Spain, in the area of the Basques.

�� Loyola, through his series of desiring to regain his leg�it had healed

�� improperly, so he made a rack where he would stretch the leg, with

�� severe, horrible, awful pain�and trying to stretch this leg to get it back

�� to normal shape, he endured awful, terrible pain. He had it rebroken,

�� again, a couple of times and it still did not heal properly, so he had a

�� perpetual limp. He could no longer be the courtier among women, and

�� as a result, he went into this depression, and he then had this vision of

�� the saints, etc., etc., and he wrote his spiritual exercises.

�� I will stop at the spiritual exercises, just for a minute, but I�ll take up

�� from there. Loyola then wanted to form an army, but when this

�� happened with his spiritual exercises, those spiritual exercises would be

�� basic training for all of his Jesuits. That�s what they will ALL go through.

�� That�s what every Jesuit goes through today.

�� One of the maxims of the spiritual exercises is that if my superior says

�� "black is white and white is black", then that�s the way it is. That is in his

�� spiritual exercises. That is what is quoted in JFK, when Kevin Costner is

�� telling his people: "Hey, people, we�ve got to start thinking like the CIA.

�� Black is white and white is black." That was a Jesuit giveaway that the

�� Jesuits produced that movie, because they�re quoting Ignatius Loyola in

�� that movie from his spiritual exercises.

�� So, Loyola had an indomitable will. He had a will of steel, and he set his

�� mind to regain back what the Papacy had lost to the Reformation. And

�� so, he went to the Pope, and the Pope in 1540 then created the Jesuit

�� Order. But this man is a soldier, he�s a lawyer, and he put together a

�� legion of soldiers and warriors to get back what Rome had lost, as well

�� as institute a World Government for the Pope, from Jerusalem. This was

�� in 1540.

�� He started the Order in 1536. He was arrested by the Inquisition, and

�� he was released, and he went to the Pope; he threw himself at the feet of

�� the Pope. He would be completely at his service. The Pope chartered

�� him, and that Pope was Pius III. The Pope chartered them, created the

�� Jesuit Order; now he has Papal protection, and they began their awful

�� history of deeds of blood. And war after war after war after war, they�re

�� all attributed to the Jesuit Order in some way. Catholic nobles, with lots

�� of money, donated castles and schools and money to the Jesuit Order.

�� Virtually everything they own has been given to them or stolen by them.

�� Of course, they stole all of the fortunes of the Jews in World War II.

�� They stole all their gold, all their assets and everything, whenever they

�� went into a country. What�s just been released is NOTHING compared

�� to what they�ve taken.

�� In Edmond Paris�s book, printed by Ozark Publications, called The

�� Vatican Against Europe, it gets into great detail of what they did. It calls

�� it�the last 30 years of war is all attributable to the Jesuits, their

�� massacres of the Serbs and Jews, etc. But Edmond Paris did not

�� understand that the Jesuit General�and this is one of the most important

�� points I want to make about Von Kolvenbach�the Jesuit General is in

�� complete control of the international intelligence community: that�s the

�� CIA, the FBI, the KGB, the Israeli Mossad, the German BND, the

�� British SIS. The Jesuit General is in COMPLETE CONTROL of the

�� entire intelligence apparatus�FBI, every bureaucratic agency in this

�� country, all of it; he is in complete control of it.

�� So, whenever he wants to find something out about an individual, they

�� put in the Social Security number, and everything from all of the

�� intelligence apparatus kicks‑in and he and his provincials can review

�� everything about that man. Credit cards, you name it, everything that�s

�� attached to Rome�s social security number, which FDR put upon us in

�� 1933 with the help of Spellman; at the time, I believe he was

�� Archbishop, or maybe it was Cardinal Hayes�but Rome was behind

�� FDR in putting him in office.

�� The couple of things that he did was implement social insecurity, the

�� income tax, and recognizing Joseph Stalin�s bloody Jesuit USSR

�� government. So, with the giving of us the Social Security number, that is

�� Rome�s number�that�s why I refuse to use it�and that�s why they

�� want everybody using it for everything: driver�s license, tax return, credit

�� card, everything you do, that number is you and that number is Rome�s

�� number.

�� Martin: Let me just back‑up here for a minute. What comes to mind is

�� Louis Freeh, head of the FBI.

�� Phelps: Roman Catholic, good altar boy. Probably a Knight of

�� Columbus; I can�t prove it. But anybody with that kind of power has got

�� to be a Knight of Columbus.

�� And the Knights of Columbus implement Jesuit politics. And Louis

�� Freeh was the one behind the Waco atrocity and the Oklahoma City

�� bombing atrocity. And his top sniper was a Japanese Roman Catholic

�� named Lon Horiuchi.

�� So, it�s Roman Catholics in control, Knights in control of the FBI, who

�� carried out all of this killing. And those two men, Louis Freeh and Lon

�� Horiuchi are personally accountable to Cardinal O�Connor of New

�� York. And Cardinal O�Connor of New York is the most powerful

�� Cardinal in the country. He is the military vicar. And that�s why Bush

�� kissed his fanny for going to Bob Jones, because Cardinal O�Connor is

�� the King of the American Empire. And he rules his Empire from that

�� Palace, St. Patrick�s Cathedral, "the little Vatican".

�� Martin: And is he in contact, do you think, with Kolvenbach?

�� Phelps: Of course. O�Connor himself is not a Jesuit, but the Jesuits are

�� like the SS of the Catholic Church. They maintain order.

�� And the ones closest to him who maintain order are the Jesuits of

�� Fordham University. Now, one of them�the head of Fordham

�� University, I believe he is an Irishman, is also a member of the CFR

�� [Council on Foreign Relations]. And I have that right here in the

�� Annual Report of the CFR of 1993. Those Jesuits at Fordham maintain

�� semblance and rule over the Cardinal in New York. And, of course, the

�� powerful Jesuits of Fordham include Avery Dulles and John Foster

�� Dulles, one of the writers of the book on the Second Vatican Council.

�� Martin: Let�s back‑up now, let�s go back. What�s the Council of

�� Trent?

�� Phelps: The Council of Trent was the response of Rome to the

�� Protestant Reformation. Remember�the Protestant Reformation

�� brought us all of the political liberty that we know of today. There�s no

�� such thing as national sovereignty without the Reformation. There�s no

�� such thing as private rights without the Reformation. There�s no such

�� thing as the Law of Nations, as we know of it today, of Montesquieu

�� and the others, without the Reformation.

�� So, when the Reformation came with their doctrines of salvation by

�� grace through faith alone, and that there was no need for the priesthood

�� to go to Heaven�that all we need is salvation in Christ, and Romans

�� 1:17: the righteous shall live by faith. When the Reformation came, it

�� completely stripped Rome of its spiritual power. The priests were no

�� longer wanted because the people were getting the word of God in a

�� Bible, specifically in Holland, England, and Germany. And so, with these

�� great revivals breaking forth and the Reformation happening, nations

�� were breaking away from the power of the Pope. The Holy Roman

�� Empire was breaking up. Charles V, the Emperor, resigned and became

�� a monk and a gardener. So, the Lord was moving mightily in breaking

�� the power of the Holy Roman Empire, started by Charlemagne and the

�� Pope.

�� Well, this was not good for Rome because they were losing lots of

�� money. The nations were not paying "Peter�s pence" anymore, which

�� today we call "foreign aid" in this country. And so the Pope was very

�� upset about his.

�� What�s he going to do? These nations are breaking away from us;

�� they�re not under our temporal or spiritual power; and it�s very

�� important to remember that the Pope claims two powers�spiritual and

�� temporal�and with the breaking of his spiritual power, he then lost his

�� temporal power. In other words, he no longer had the ability to rule the

�� people through the king of the country, because the king was breaking

�� away, like Henry VIII.

�� So, Henry VIII broke away from the Roman Church and formed the

�� Church of England; he no longer was subject to the Pope. This was

�� happening in England, in Germany, in Holland, and other places.

�� As a result of this, the Devil raised up Ignatius Loyola with his

�� demonisms, his "spiritual exercises" and�because Loyola had been a

� ��member of the Spanish Alumbrados, which is what we call the Illuminati

�� today, and he used the Jesuit Order to attempt to regain back what had

�� been taken by the Reformation�what the Lord had done through

�� Luther, Calvin, and Knox. And, by the way, Luther, Calvin, and

�� Knox�none of those men died violent deaths. They all lived to older

�� age and died peacefully, amidst the power of the Jesuit machinations.

�� The Council of Trent consists of 25 Sessions. Those 25 Sessions

�� accurse and condemn all the doctrines of the Reformation. It condemns

�� anybody who does not believe that the literal Jesus Christ is in the host

�� [holy communion bread], and that his literal blood is in the wine. That�s

�� called transubstantiation. Anybody who does not believe that is an

�� accursed anathema. Anybody who believes that their salvation is outside

�� the Catholic Church is accursed anathema. Anybody who believes in

�� justification by grace through faith�anathema, accursed. Anybody who

�� believes that the Pope is not the vicar of Christ�accursed, anathema.

�� You see, all of these doctrines were being put forth as a result of reading

�� the Bible, which produced the Reformation, and so the Jesuits accursed

�� everything that the Reformers were preaching. This is all in Law called

�� the Council of Trent.

�� In the 4th Session, which is probably the most important Session, the

�� Jesuits condemn freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and freedom

�� of conscience. So, no man has the right to choose his own religion; no

�� man has the right to publish what he feels is the truth; and no man has the

�� right to freedom of conscience.

�� Those rights were secured by our Baptist/Calvinist forefathers in the

�� First Amendment. The man who wrote the First Amendment was James

�� Madison, who was a Baptist/Calvinist, and he was told by that

�� Baptist/Calvinist in Virginia, Doc. John Leland: "If you don�t secure all

�� those rights, Virginia will not ratify the Constitution." Virginia was a

�� Baptist/Calvinist state.

�� So, we have a warfare between the Council of Trent and the doctrines

�� of the Reformation, particularly as outlined by John Calvin in his

�� Institutes Of The Christian Religion. Calvin [1536] wrote the Institutes

�� Of The Christian Religion, he finished it when he was 27, and he

�� dedicated it to the King of France. And because the Jesuits so hated

�� him, he was driven from France and he resided in Geneva to the day of

�� his death, when he became Governor of Geneva. It�s Calvin and his

�� Institutes Of The Christian Religion vs. Loyola and his Council of

�� Trent, if you want it sewed‑up in two major documents.

�� Martin: Council of Trent was what year?

�� Phelps: From 1545‑1563, eighteen years. And Trent is a little town in

�� Italy. So, it was a Council that took place in the town of Trent, Italy.

�� The Presbyterian Westminster Confession And Faith that was finished

�� in 1648, after the 30 Years War, is another extension of Calvin�s

�� Institutes, and is what the Church of Scotland and the Covenanters went

�� by when they resisted the powers of Rome and England. That document

�� is a major document, and it�s not the new Westminster Confession, it�s

�� the old one of 1648, where they called the Pope the man of sin, that

�� Roman Anti‑Christ, and they also denounced anti‑Christian tyranny.

�� And that it is their duty, to use what they call "the sword of the spirit",

�� which is the Word of God, which we read in Ephesians, Chapter 6, and

�� "the sword of just defense"�the gun, the sword.

�� So, us Calvinists believe that there is a time for peace and a time for

�� war, and we do not refuse to go to the battlefield when it�s necessary. It

�� was the Calvinists who gave us our political liberty in England with

�� Cromwell. He was a Calvinist and an independent Baptist. It was

�� Calvinists in Holland who gave the Dutch their political liberty, with

�� William of Orange, and later his son, Prince Maurice, and then later, in

�� our great country, when it was Washington, the Freemason who did not

�� go into that Masonic Lodge that last 30 years of his life�in his own

�� words�who was a Baptist and a Calvinist. He was baptized in the First

�� Baptist Church of New York by one of his captains, Pastor Gano, all

�� surrounded by Calvinists.

�� That�s why they didn�t surrender at Valley Forge; that�s why, when they

�� were naked, when they went through the snow, barefoot, they endured

�� that because they were Bible‑believing Calvinists and they refused to

�� submit to the tyranny of King George, who was controlled by the

�� Jesuits.

�� And that is the soul of our country. If we lose that soul, we�ve lost

�� everything. And those very same Baptists, in the Second Amendment,

�� secured their right to bear arms, because they secured the right, the

�� "sword of just defense". And the "sword of the spirit" is contained in the

�� First Amendment, the right to have the Bible never taken from them. The

�� two swords of Calvinism are secured in the First and Second

�� Amendments. Without those first two Amendments, all the others are

�� nothing.

�� Martin: Well, I got to my question #2. So, let�s go to #3 of the seventy.

�� (laughter)

�� How does Shriner Freemason President Harry Truman�s signing into law

�� of the Emergency War Powers Act of 1950 factor into the Jesuit

�� Agenda?

�� Phelps: First of all, Harry Truman, who the Japanese called "Dirty

�� Harry"�when they heard the movie Dirty Harry came out, they thought

�� it was a movie about Harry Truman, according to my Japanese pastor

�� friend, Daniel Fuji, who has passed away.

�� Harry Truman was put in office by the Jesuits, the Pensergast

�� Democratic machine in Missouri. Harry Truman takes over after FDR�s

�� murder, because he was murdered in the home of Bernard Baruch.

�� When he did that, he then finished up the war with the hoax called the

�� dropping of the nuclear bombs, to purposely create this greater hoax

�� called the Cold War, that would enable the Vatican to knock over

�� country after country after country, and replace the leaders with

�� dictators, subordinate to the Pope. That was the purpose of the Cold

�� War.

�� And so, when Harry Truman in 1950 signed into law the Emergency

�� War Powers Act, the Cold War was in full force. They were building

�� bomb shelters, etc. So the nation was in kind of a frenzy.

�� When he signed this into law, it put the whole country under military or

�� martial law, and that�s when the flags in every courtroom, state and

�� federal, began to be changed. And every state flag and every U.S. flag is

�� now trimmed in gold fringe. And whenever you see a flag trimmed in

�� gold fringe, that means that it is the flag of the Commander‑in‑Chief.

�� Now, if it�s the state flag, it means that�s the flag of the governor, as

�� Commander‑in‑Chief. And if it�s the federal flag, or the national flag,

�� more correctly, it�s the flag of the Commander‑in‑Chief in Washington.

�� So, all your courts are nothing more than courts of military rule. They all

�� proceed with summary procedures. The jury has no power of jury

�� nullification. And they are simply enforcing the laws of the Empire, which

�� I call 14th Amendment America, which is a military‑style, King of

�� England‑style country. The courts are nothing more than courts of the

�� king�s bench, as you can see in Blackstone�s Commentaries.

�� And the banks, as you walk into every bank, they all have a flag trimmed

�� in gold fringe. The bank is what England would call, in Blackstone�s day,

�� the king�s bank. So, we have the king�s bank, and we have the king�s

�� bench. And it�s run according to military rule, according to Berkheimer�s

�� great work Military Rule And Martial Law, published in 1914.

�� When Harry Truman did this, there was a consummation of a great plan

�� to put us under the Emergency War Powers Act and, actually, a war

�� rule. "Daylight savings time" is what was called "war time". This country

�� only went to daylight savings time during World War II, and they called

�� it, at that time, war time. So, nothing�s changed. We�ve never gone back

�� to not turning back our clocks. We�re still on war time. The income tax

�� is a war tax. It was called a victory tax in 1942.

�� So, people are paying a war tax, they�re under war time, they�re under

�� an emergency war powers act, and the courts are war courts.

�� Martin: Regarding the assassination of President John Kennedy, which

�� could take this entire interview, you say that the assassination was

�� ordered by the Jesuit General, executed by Pope Paul VI, and carried

�� out by the "American Pope", Francis Cardinal Spellman�who, in turn,

�� used the Knights of Malta, Shriner Freemasons, Knights of Columbus,

�� and Mafia Dons, including the FBI and CIA, to carry out the order from

�� Rome. Would you explain why you believe your particular theory on the

�� assassination to be an accurate representation of the facts?

�� Phelps: Sure. Alright, number one: The powers that be are properly

�� outlined [in his book], and proven through two centuries of showing

�� how it�s all been put together. Now, as to why, I will be conservative

�� and stick with Fletcher Prouty�s reasons, that he outlined in his JFK and

�� also his other book called The Secret Team.

�� The reason why Kennedy was assassinated was he wanted to end the

�� Vietnam War, and he wanted to end the rule of the CIA. That begets

�� two questions: Did Rome want the Vietnam War? And, did Rome

�� control the CIA? The answer is yes on both counts.

�� We know, on its face, that the Vietnam War was called "Spelly�s

�� War"�Cardinal Spellman�s war. He went over to the warfront many

�� times and he called the American soldiers the "soldiers of Christ". The

�� man who was the Commander of the American forces was a Roman

�� Catholic, CFR member, possibly a Knight of Columbus, I don�t know,

�� but he was General William Westmoreland.

�� So, Westmoreland was Cardinal Spellman�s agent to make sure that

�� war was prosecuted properly. And another overseer of Westmoreland

�� was Cardinal Spellman�s boy, Lyndon Baines Johnson. Lyndon Baines

�� Johnson was a 33rd‑degree Freemason. He was also part of the

�� assassination, with J. Edgar Hoover, another 33rd‑degree Freemason.

�� And Johnson went to Cardinal Spellman�s death at St. Patrick�s

�� Cathedral, and the picture can be seen in Cooney�s work The American

�� Pope. So, Johnson was completely at the beck and call of Cardinal

�� Spellman through Cartha DeLoach, the 3rd‑in‑control of the FBI.

�� According to Curt Gentry, in his Hoover: The Man And The Secrets,

�� DeLoach had a phone at his bedside direct to Johnson, and Johnson

�� could call him anytime. DeLoach was a Knight of Malta, subject to

�� Spellman.

�� Spellman wanted the Vietnam War, why? Spellman was controlled by

�� the Jesuits of Fordham. Why did the Jesuit General want the Vietnam

�� War? The people of Vietnam, the Buddhists, were unconvertible. They

�� would not convert to Catholicism. They didn�t need Rome.

�� There had been a Jesuit presence in Vietnam for centuries, so it had

�� been decided that about a million or so Buddhists would have to be

�� "purged". They would later continue this purge of Cambodia, with Pol

�� Pot, and the purge is yet for Thailand. It was a purging of Laos,

�� Cambodia, and Vietnam of all these Buddhists, just like they purged the

�� Buddhists of China with Mao Zedong, because Mao Zedong was

�� completely controlled by the Jesuits. So, they wanted the Vietnam War.

�� The other thing is that Rome is in control of the drug trade. The Vatican

�� controls all of the drug trade�all of the heroin, all of the opium, all of the

�� cocaine, everything going around in Columbia.

�� Columbia has a concordat with the Pope. A concordat is a treaty with

�� the Pope. Hitler had a concordat. Mussolini had a concordat. Franco

�� had a concordat. They want to set up a concordat here, which was the

�� reason for Reagan formally recognizing the sovereign state of Vatican

�� City in 1984. The greatest traitor we ever had was Ronald Reagan.

�� So, they had a concordat. Columbia has a concordat. Do you think that

�� drugs running out of Columbia, with a country that has a concordat with

�� Rome, is not controlled by Rome? If Rome didn�t want the drug trade

�� out of Columbia, they�d end the concordat. The whole drug trade is run

�� by high Mafia families out of the country of Columbia, subject to the

�� Jesuit General.

�� And the Jesuit General ran the Opium trade, a couple of centuries ago,

�� out of China. They ran the silk trade, the pearl trade. The movie Shogun

�� is but a slight scratching of the surface of the Jesuit "black ships" that

�� trafficked in all of this silk and pearls and gold and opals and everything

�� they could pull out of the East, including opium.

�� The Vietnam War was to consolidate and control this huge massive

�� drug‑trade that would inundate every American city with drugs, being

�� brought in by the CIA with their Air America, and then distributed by the

�� Trafficante family throughout the United States�Santos Trafficante out

�� of Miami.

�� So we have the Mafia and the CIA working together in the drug trade.

�� We have the Mafia and the CIA working together in the assassination of

�� Kennedy.

�� The first reason why the Jesuit General [at that time, Jean‑Baptist

�� Janssens] wanted Kennedy out of the way was because he was going

�� to end the Vietnam War.

�� The second reason is, he wanted to end the reign of the CIA, because

�� the CIA had betrayed him in the person of McGeorge Bundy, by not

�� giving the cover to the Cuban patriots to retake Cuba from that Roman

�� Catholic, Jesuit‑trained, grease‑ball bastard�he was a bastard, his

�� father was a Nazi�Fidel Castro.

�� Kennedy was betrayed by the CIA at the Bay of Pigs invasion, which

�� sacrificed all the patriots on the shores of the Bay of Pigs there, so

�� Castro had no real opposition. This was the same tactic, used by the

�� CIA and the KGB at the top, working together with Angleton controlling

�� it, in the Hungarian Revolution, when the CIA fomented that revolution,

�� and then betrayed all of those patriots into the hands of the Soviet army

�� and KGB, which infuriated certain top CIA officials.

�� It�s the same tactic: you raise up a revolution and you sacrifice the men

�� who truly want to resist. When that happened, when McGeorge Bundy

�� stopped the air cover of the Bay of Pigs invasion, that ended that

�� resistance to Castro and it enthroned him into power. And, of course, it

�� was meant to be by the Jesuits because they HAD trained him. So now

�� Kennedy looks bad. He�s got egg all over his face. What does he want

�� to do? He signs a Memorandum, according to Fletcher Prouty, and

�� takes all of the power away from the CIA, and gives it to the Joint

�� Chiefs of Staff.

�� The CIA was built by the Knights of Malta. One of the founders of the

�� CIA was "Wild" Bill Donovan, an Irish Roman Catholic, who are the

�� most fanatical, and his brother was a Dominican priest, Vincent. So, the

�� CIA was founded by this high Roman Catholic, the first head, to solidify

�� the Catholic or the Vatican control of it.

�� I�m not against the Catholic people; I�m against Rome�s hierarchy. The

�� American Catholic people know NOTHING of what�s going on. And if

�� they did, there would be a march on St. Patrick�s tomorrow morning.

�� So, as I�m against the hierarchy, I�m showing that Kennedy was against

�� the Vietnam War, and he was going to do away with the CIA.

�� Well, the Jesuits had brought in all of their top Nazi SS soldiers into the

�� CIA because the Jesuits were using the SS to kill the Jews in Europe.

�� When the Einsatzgruppen went into Russia, the Jesuits followed with the

�� SS and purged Western Russia of all its Jews. That�s why Stalin

�� deliberately killed 40,000 of his best officers. That�s why he kicked out

�� his best generals, purged them, because he wanted to make sure that the

�� Red Army would lose with the advance of the German army, because

�� following that would come the SS and purge Russia of the Jews that

�� Stalin so hated. And by the way, justice is often poetic because Stalin�s

�� daughter married a Jew.

�� Now, the CIA was composed of the SS. The CIA now was an

�� arm�and the intelligence arm�of the Vatican. The Knights of Malta

�� were throughout. Casey was a Knight of Malta. Angleton was a Knight

�� of Malta. The Knights were through and through. Angleton manned the

�� "Vatican desk", and that is a desk within the CIA that has a direct link to

�� the Vatican.

�� So, Kennedy wanted to end this "intelligence community". That was the

�� end of him.

�� Thus for anyone attempting to end the CIA, and attempting to end the

�� Vietnam War, and also because he attacked the Jesuits� Federal

�� Reserve Bank by printing United States Notes, they got rid of him. They

�� killed our only Roman Catholic president.

�� And it�s another piece of poetic justice that a Roman Catholic�not

�� Protestants, like Harry Truman, FDR, and others�it�s a Roman

�� Catholic who truly sought to resist the temporal power of the Pope in

�� this country. And in many ways, even though Kennedy was, in fact, a

�� socialist and communist, at least he resisted the temporal power of the

�� Pope. And for that we should be thankful and remember his name.

�� But what have they done to his name? They�ve slammed it. They drag it

�� into the dirt. Every time you see it on TV, they parade before you his

�� womanizing, which I don�t deny, but my goodness, can�t we give him

�� some credit where credit is due? That�s why they got rid of John F.

�� Kennedy.

�� And then, of course, as soon as he�s assassinated, John McCone, the

�� head of the CIA, the following day goes to the White House and they

�� reverse Kennedy�s Memorandum of reversing the Vietnam War and

�� make a full‑scale, carte blache war.

�� The CIA then is tremendously and heavily funded, because it was a CIA

�� war. And there they tried all of their new technology, their anti‑gravity

�� machines, their men who they�re trying to make like the "million‑dollar

�� man". They tried out all their new technology in Vietnam. It was a great

�� experimental theater, and Kennedy knew this. He knew it, and he knew

�� that the American people had no idea what was going down, and he still

�� tried to resist it, against his father�s warnings. Because his father was the

�� most powerful Knight of Malta in the Empire.

�� Martin: Any theories on why they took out junior?

�� Phelps: Yes. According to Tom Kuncle, in his publication, John F.

�� Kennedy, Jr. wanted to find his father�s real killers, and he had the

�� power to publish the conclusion. So, they took him out right away. They

�� would not allow that to happen.

�� Martin: Why haven�t you been taken out?

�� Phelps: Because I am immortal�until the Lord is done with me. I am a

�� Calvinist and a Baptist, and we believe in the sovereignty of God. And

�� as long as we are operating in His Will, they cannot touch us, regardless

�� of their power.

�� Martin: Which is why we�re having this conversation.

�� Phelps: Which is why we�re having the conversation. Don�t think for

�� one moment they�re not tapping this phone. They know this. The issue is

�� here. We�re talking about a providential, sovereign God who wishes to

�� move, using second causes, men, just as the Devil does.

�� The Devil always uses second causes, men. So, it�s one group of men

�� vs. another group of men, and one path leads to evil, and the true,

�� almighty God leads to goodness.

�� The problem is, with us, there are very few men who want to believe

�� God anymore. Nobody believes He can deliver anymore. It�s just a

�� handful of us who say: "Well, we�re going to do His Will; we�re going to

�� trust Him in His Power."

�� And like the Hebrews getting ready to be thrown into the fiery furnace of

�� Nebuchadnezzar, our God is able to deliver us. We�re going to tell the

�� truth!

�� Martin: Let�s see here. I can throw away a lot of these questions. So

�� much of it seems, in a way, irrelevant to our current times because

�� there�s so much going on now. But, good grief! I was just stunned to

�� read in your book of all the historical things that have happened as a

�� result of these evil people. You dedicated the book to four Roman

�� Catholics who, I�m sure, no one has ever heard of: Charles Chiniquy,

�� Jeremiah Crowley, Emmett McLaughlin, and Alberto Rivera. Why

�� them?

�� Phelps: Because those Roman Catholic men were priests; they left the

�� priesthood and told the truth about what was really happening. And all

�� four of them, except one, I think Emmett McLaughlin, paid with their life.

�� Chiniquy was the great exposer of the Jesuit assassination of President

�� Lincoln, when he wrote his masterpiece Fifty Years In The Church Of

�� Rome in 1886. He proves that Lincoln was assassinated by the Jesuits,

�� and that it was covered‑up by our government at the time.

�� Jeremiah Crowley: that priest was a great Irishman who came here and,

�� seeing the corruption of the Archdiocese in Chicago, that it was so

�� corrupt, he left it and exposed it. And, of course, he later came to Christ

�� and became a Bible‑believer, which they would call a Protestant.

�� Protestants today don�t believe the Bible. Protestantism of today is an

�� empty shell, it�s nothing. But, back then, in 1912, they believed the

�� Bible.

�� Crowley, then, exposed many things, and one of the things he exposed,

�� that helped me with this, was that he warned that the Jesuits, with their

�� Knights of Columbus�which, he says, the Knights of Columbus, named

�� after Columbus, who he tells us was a Spanish Jew and a pirate and a

�� deflowerer of young girls�that Columbus was no Christian.

�� He has a tremendous section in his book on Columbus. That the

�� purpose of the Knights of Columbus was to fulfill Jesuitical politics, and

�� part of those politics was to restore the temporal power of the Pope

�� because, you remember, the Pope had lost that in 1870 and they wanted

�� to get it back. And they got it back with Mussolini in 1929.

�� Well, in the book that Crowley wrote in 1912, he says that Taft and

�� Teddy Roosevelt were all cow‑towing to the Pope and the Cardinals of

�� New York. And he said they�re going to use our military to restore the

�� Pope�s temporal power around the world.

�� And THAT was absolutely correct. That is American foreign policy.

�� And the Council of Trent is the American foreign policy of today. That�s

� ��what�s going on in Serbia and Bosnia. It�s the Council of Trent�the

�� Jesuits using the American Air Force to bomb those orthodox people to

�� smithereens. But, that was Crowley�s great contribution.

�� Next, Emmett McLaughlin wrote several books. He wrote The People�s

�� Padre; he wrote Crime And Immorality In The Catholic Church,

�� showing that Catholic nations are more lawless and more criminal than

�� Protestant nations, and he proved it with statistics from the jails.

�� Emmett McLaughlin also wrote another book called The Assassination

�� Of Abraham Lincoln, where he, again, shows that Lincoln was

�� assassinated by the Jesuits. So, Emmett McLaughlin came out of the

�� Catholic Church. To my knowledge, he never was born again. He never

�� was saved, but he did tell the truth. He married a nun, and lived a

�� virtuous and honorable life after he left.

�� The last one was, of course, Alberto Rivera, who was greatly hated by

�� the Vatican because he was a very high Jesuit who came out and, in the

�� late �60s, about 1969, exposed the power of Rome in the ecumenical

�� movement, that Rome controlled Kathryn Kuhlman; that Rome

�� controlled Billy Graham; that Rome controlled, virtually, our

�� government�Ronald Reagan.

�� Reagan, when he took the Oath of Office, faced the obelisk, indicating

�� that this country will ultimately have a concordat. So, Alberto Rivera

�� converted to Christ, wonderfully, and he started a ministry called The

�� Anti‑Christ Information Center, out of Los Angeles.

�� They tried to kill him five times. A dentist jammed a needle up between

�� his teeth, trying to give him an infection in the brain. When he passed out,

�� about a year or so later, they couldn�t figure it out. Everybody was

�� praying for him. And this was discovered when he went to another

�� dentist. He had it removed.

�� He was pushed in front of a subway train. They tried five times to kill the

�� man, and finally he died, I believe, of cancer, in a hospital, about three

�� years ago. But these four wonderful, great, Catholic priests did their best

�� to expose the power of Rome and its attempts to destroy our sovereign,

�� Protestant, Bible‑believing nation. And so, to them, I dedicate it.

�� Martin: What compelled you to write this book? What started it for

�� you?

�� Phelps: I was always taught to be a patriot, a patriot first and

�� foremost�America first, and everybody else second. Later, when I

�� came to know the Lord, at 17, I realized the Bible taught the same

�� thing�that the Lord had instituted nations. The Lord never instituted

�� world governments; that�s always the result of the Devil�s working.

�� So, being a patriot and a nationalist�believing in national sovereignty�I

�� was saved at 17, went into the Air Force, was garrisoned in a nuclear

�� weapons area for three years in Germany, came back and started to go

�� to Bible college.

�� When I went to Bible college, the issue of the King James came up, as

�� far as it being an archaic version. And that�s what I used and I had never

�� given it a thought. Well, some were using NIV, some NASB, and I

�� thought: "Well, maybe it�s just a modern version of what I have here."

�� And I thought: "Well, if they want to use that, that�s fine, but I�ll use the

�� King James."

�� I found that the underlying Greek text for the King James, the Textus

�� Receptus, was the Greek text of the Reformation. It represents 95% of

�� the existing manuscripts that we have today. The Greek text that

�� underlies all these other versions�there�s a Westcott and Hort Greek

�� text, which I then discovered was really a conspiracy to adulterate the

�� Textus Receptus in England, led by Brooke Foss Westcott and Anthony

�� Hort, who were Maryolitors, Mary‑worshippers.

�� Later, I found out that they had invited Cardinal Newman to sit in on the

�� revision committee. Well, Cardinal Newman was a traitor to the

�� Anglican Church, with his Track 90, which blew‑off the Anglican

�� Church. He then left England and he was then a Cardinal by Pius IX.

�� So, here we have Cardinal Newman, and E. B. Pusey, had been invited

�� to sit on this revision committee, the end result being a Greek text that

�� had been produced that was pro‑Jerome�s Latin Vulgate. Jerome�s

�� Latin Vulgate is the basis for the Jesuit�s Reheims‑Douay text, that was

�� put out in 1582, that was attempting to rival William Tyndale�s English

�� text, which later became the King James Version of 1611.

�� So now I see this awful Jesuit hand in my Bible college, attempting to

�� deprive me of the Word of God, the authorized version of 1611, in it�s

�� present edition of 1769. Now I thought "Well, here the Jesuits are, what

�� else have they done?" And the next thing I was led to was the Lincoln

�� assassination. And I can remember reading Burke McCarty�s The

�� Suppressed Truth About The Assassination Of Abraham Lincoln, and

�� weeping in the back room, when I was in college.

�� Martin: For me, one of the most compelling portions of your book was

�� the series of revelations about Lincoln. I was stunned by that.

�� Phelps: That�s what they did. Remember, Lincoln was not going to go

�� along with the 14th Amendment. He wanted those Southern states to

�� re‑enter the Union on the same footing that they had left, which would

�� have left us with a federal Republic as Washington had established it.

�� This the Jesuits would not allow. It would be converted into an Empire.

�� The states would be subordinate provinces to Washington. And the 14th

�� Amendment would accomplish this with the reversion of citizenship. And

�� Lincoln was re‑elected, and he was ready to end this, and that�s why

�� they killed him. Kennedy was ready to implement his things; they would

�� not let him be re‑elected.

�� Martin: This is a total aside. Have you ever come across The Jefferson

�� Bible?

�� Phelps: The Jefferson Bible�and maybe you know this�is Matthew,

�� Mark, and Luke. And Thomas Jefferson, being the Deist, being the

�� pagan that he was, cut out all the supernatural from those three gospels.

�� Jefferson was a Deist; he was involved with the French Freemasons who

�� were involved in the French Revolution, and he was not here at the

�� writing of our Protestant Constitution. So, the Lord put him out of the

�� picture. Jefferson was just used to help with the Revolution�because

�� the Lord does use the unGodly for good things. But Jefferson copied

�� much of the Declaration Of Independence from the Mechlenburg

�� Declaration, written by Calvinistic Presbyterians of North Carolina,

�� when they seceded, when that county of Mechlenburg seceded from the

�� Colonies.

�� Martin: Never heard of it.

�� Phelps: Yes, you�ll find it in Presbyterian writings. You can find it from

�� D. James Kennedy; he has a thing on it. And Jefferson copied, at the

�� end: "...and to this end we devote our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred

�� honor."

�� That was copied directly from the Mechlenburg Declaration. Jefferson

�� was a plagiarist; he was a high Freemason; and he was out of here at the

�� time of the writing of our Constitution. And the reason why the people

�� of Virginia did elect him to office was because he was a State�s Rights

�� man. He wanted limited powers in Washington, and that was a good

�� thing. And when Jefferson was elected, he undid everything the

�� king‑president John Adams did, with his Alien & Sedition Laws,

�� because John Adams wanted to be a king, and Jefferson undid it, and

�� Jefferson got two terms for that.

�� Martin: I�m looking at some things that are a little further back now.

�� The Secreta Monita. What�s the significance of that?

�� Phelps: The Secret Instructions [excerpts at the end of this interview]

�� are the handbooks that are given to the professed Jesuits, those under

�� extreme oath. [The oath is presented in full at the end of this

�� interview.] And it tells them how to conduct their plans, subjugating

�� peoples and nations to the Jesuit General, and thus, to the temporal

�� power of the Pope. It tells how they are to deceive. It shows how they

�� are to swindle rich widows out of their fortunes, like they did with

�� Astor�s second wife who survived the Titanic catastrophe. It shows their

�� general approach on how to do things.

�� This particular book cannot be known, and if it�s ever published, they

�� will deny it�s existence. But when you see the works that the Jesuits have

�� done, it�s in complete agreement with the Secreta Monita.

�� There is a very interesting section in Edwin R. Sherwin�s book The

�� Engineer Core Of Hell, written in 1886 I believe�another suppressed

�� work. It�s usually in the archives of all the older libraries back here. And

�� he shows how this Secreta Monita was discovered in South America by

�� a Mason, and the Mason managed to escape to a lodge after being shot.

�� He turned the Secreta Monita over to the lodge, and then these certain

�� Freemasons saw the Secreta Monita. There are certain low‑level

�� Freemasons who believe that the Jesuit Order is their enemy, so that�s

�� why it was taken to the lodge and then published. But the high‑level

�� Masons, of course, work with them. The Secreta Monita was

�� discovered once that way. It was published in Holland. Then, in 1857,

�� reprinted by England.

�� Martin: Pascal�s Provincial Letters had a devastating impact on

�� exposing the Jesuits. Why?

�� Phelps: Blaise Pascal was a Huguenot, a French Calvinist. So here we

�� have another fearless man. He doesn�t fear death; he�s going to tell the

�� truth. So Blaise Pascal wrote a series of letters that were written to and

�� from provincials, and he wrote them in a satirical manner, that of course

�� excited that wonderful French mind. The French, of course, came to the

�� conclusion that this was absolutely the truth, and then they moved to

�� suppress the Jesuits again. But his Provincial Letters are considered a

�� classic. Blaise Pascal also wrote some other great works, too.

�� Martin: Pope Ganganelli‑Clement XIV abolished the Order entirely in

�� 1773, and was murdered as a result.

�� Phelps: Correct; he was poisoned.

�� Martin: The Order was similarly abolished 39 times from different

�� kingdoms throughout Europe. It doesn�t take a genius to figure out that

�� something was terribly wrong with this group!

�� Phelps: Right. Are all those people bigots? Are all those people

�� brainwashed bigots and fanatical Protestants who abolished the Jesuit

�� Order?

�� You find the greatest resistance to the Jesuits in Catholic countries, by

�� Catholic monarchs. And that�s why the Roman Catholic monarchs and

�� nobility of today don�t dare resist them. The Kennedys won�t touch

�� them. The monarchs of Europe won�t touch them. The Hapsburgs won�t

�� touch them, because the Jesuits have vindicated their power in the

�� French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars�well, then they went to

�� suppress the Jesuits again in Europe and they were, for the most part,

�� kicked‑out of Europe in the 1800s. All the nations of Europe banned

�� them. Germany banned them in 1872. And so, World War I and II, the

�� second Thirty Years War, was pay‑back for this. And ever since then,

�� nobody touches them.

�� Pope Ganganelli abolished the Jesuits with a Papal Bull; the Jesuits call it

� ��a "brief". It is not a brief; it is in the Library of the Bulls, and it is called

�� Dominic Ac Redemptor Nostor. That is the name of a bull. And when

�� he abolished them, he abolished them forever�that they were not to

�� talk about their abolition, that they were not to teach. He confiscated all

�� of their wealth and land and property. For the most part, the Dominicans

�� took it over, which is why the Dominicans had their penis cut off during

�� the French Revolution. That�s what the Jacobins did to them. It was

�� payback by the Jesuits: "You don�t dare take our property from us, boy.

�� And you don�t dare take Inquisition from us." Jacobins killed nearly

�� every Dominican in France.

�� Martin: Why was the assassination of William of Orange so significant?

�� Phelps: Williams of Orange was the father of religious liberty. William of

�� Orange is the man who gave the Jews the freedom to come to

�� Amsterdam. And the Jews called Amsterdam, "the new Jerusalem".

�� William of Orange was a Catholic to begin with. Remember when he

�� was in the forest, hunting with the king of France, and the king of France

�� lay bare to him their plans to destroy all the Protestants in Holland,

�� William kept silent. And that�s why he was called "William the taciturn"

�� or "William the silent".

�� So, he harbored all of this in his heart, and he went back to Holland

�� determined that he would deliver the Calvinists and the Protestants from

�� this annihilation. William went to Germany with his German wife, and he,

�� according to Motley in his The Dutch Republic, raised an army of

�� Germans and they did not succeed in liberating Holland. And so, it was

�� the Dutch themselves who joined William of Orange in an attempt to

�� liberate the country, which they ultimately did as the "wild beggars of the

�� sea".

�� So, William was a great inspiration. He delivered flight from the seige of

�� the fanatical Roman Catholic Spanish, lead by the Jesuits, when the Lord

�� providentially delivered and sent a strong wind over the dikes, and

�� flooded the whole area, and flooded the Spanish soldiers.

�� And then, after that happened, He sent another strong West wind and

�� blew the water back over the dikes. This is a historical fact! Why don�t

�� we hear this in history? For the same reason we don�t hear when Louis

�� XIV brought his army across the river into Holland to kill all those

�� Dutch, in 1672, right around there, that the river, right where the army

�� was crossing, thawed out, and the whole French army went to the

�� bottom of the river, as a result of the prayers of those Protestants of

�� Holland. We�re not taught that either!

�� The assassination of William of Orange was probably the second most

�� significant act of Jesuit dominance, next to the murder of Coligny at St.

�� Bartholomew�s Massacre. Because it was first St. Bartholomew�s

�� massacre, and then the murder of William of Orange. And, of course,

�� William of Orange was shot by a Jesuit‑controlled assassin, Balthazar

�� Girard, in his own house. And the last words of William, of course,

�� were: "God be merciful to these poor people."

�� Martin: What is the Royal Institute of International Affairs?

�� Phelps: The Royal Institute of International Affairs is the same as the

�� American Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). The Royal Institute runs

�� England and the British Empire, what was once the extension of the

�� British, just as the CFR runs our country. They�re sister organizations.

�� Martin: Where are they based?

�� Phelps: They�re based in London.

�� Martin: And who is their head; do you know?

�� Phelps: I don�t know right now. The John Birch Society wrote a lot

�� about that, and they did expose the CFR and the Royal Institute of

�� International Affairs. Allan Stang has written a lot about that.

�� Martin: What was the "Gunpowder Plot" of 1605?

�� Phelps: The Gunpowder Plot of 1605 was the Jesuits attempt to

�� destroy what William Howitt�and Howitt was the great writer who

�� wrote A Popular History Of Priestcraft, 1835�he said it was a Jesuit

�� attempt to destroy our Great King Solomon, King James I, along with

�� the entire Protestant Parliament. Because remember, Elizabeth I had

�� expelled the Jesuits from her empire, and if they were ever caught they

�� were to be drawn and quartered.

�� After she died, the conspiracy went on there that went on with William

�� Cecil. They named Mary Queen of Scott�s son as the King of England,

�� rather than Elizabeth�s son, because Elizabeth had a son who was the

�� Earl of South Hampton, Wriothesley, and that was the son of Edward

�� Devere, who we know as William Shakespeare.

�� There was no William Shakespeare. The man was Edward Devere. He

�� ran the Globe Theater. He was the Lord Great Chamberlain to Queen

�� Elizabeth, and he secretly had a son who was the Third Earl of South

�� Hampton. He was the rightful heir to the thrown, not King James VI of

�� Scotland.

�� You can find all this documented in two great works: the first is called

�� Shakespeare Identified and the author is Looney. The explosion of that

�� book is called This Star Of England, written by Carlton and Dorothy

�� Ogborn, in 1952, and it�s a 1200‑page work, and in it they explain all

�� the plays of Shakespeare, and that they are, in the words of Hamlet: "A

�� brief abstract and chronicle of the times." Nothing but history.

�� And then there�s another book, Wasn�t Shakespeare Someone Else?,

�� written by Tweeny, and in that book he evaluates the 150 sonnets. In

� ��those sonnets Edward Devere put his name: Vere or Uvre or Vere�he

�� puts his name in acrostics throughout all the sonnets. And the last couple

�� sonnets he puts his name in double acrostics. It�s amazing, showing that

�� he wrote the sonnets.

�� Martin: Why were the Jesuits so upset about the Edict of Nantes, and

�� what was it�s significance?

�� Phelps: Ok, the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes�it can be spelled

�� Nantes or Nantz. Anyway, the Edict of Nantes was put forward by

�� King Henry IV. King Henry IV was a Roman Catholic, but he

�� converted to Protestantism and he became a Huguenot. But he was not

�� allowed to take the throne of France until he renounced his

�� Protestantism. So, for the sake of the kingdom, he renounced his

�� Protestantism, and in 1610, I believe, issued forth the Edict of Nantes.

�� The Edict of Nantes guaranteed religious freedom to all the French. That

�� included the Protestant, Calvinist, Huguenots, which of course included

�� those who would have followed Admiral Coligny, who the Jesuits

�� murdered with that she‑wolf, Catherine de Medici. With the Edict of

�� Nantes we have religious liberty in France. This cannot be. France is a

�� cornerstone of Jesuit power, so it cannot allow this to be in place. The

�� Council of Trent condemns it, because it�s freedom of conscience.

�� So, after they murder Henry IV with Ravaillac, when they stabbed him

�� through his heart, according to Sully in his memoirs, they murdered

�� Henry IV for this, and also for attempting to reinforce the Dutch. They

�� then, in 1685�when the Beatles are singing about the "Sun King" in

�� their "white" album, they�re singing about Louis XIV. And that�s telling

�� you that the Beatles are Jesuit‑controlled. The Sun King, Louis XIV

�� who reigned, who rules over France for, I believe, 60 years, he, because

�� of his Jesuit confessor, Pere La Chaise, revokes the Edict of Nantes,

�� and with that, no more religious freedom in France.

�� And then they sent their French dragons out and beheaded and killed

�� every Huguenot they could find, driving 500,000 Frenchmen out of the

�� country, the wealth of France, the manhood of France, all left for

�� Holland and England. That destroyed France. From then on, France

�� became a nothing nation.

�� The French Revolution could never have happened had not the

�� Revocation of the Edict of Nantes taken place. Because now, there�s no

�� Bible in France. And to this day, the French have never published a

�� French version of the Textus Receptus. Number one, all French Bibles

�� have been produced in foreign countries, when they�ve been translated

�� from the Greek Textus Receptus into French; France has never done it.

�� That shows the Jesuit power over France to this day.

�� And the French have probably been the most manly, the strongest, the

�� most gracious, the most determined in kicking the Jesuits out of their

�� country. They�ve kicked them out, to my knowledge, three times�and

�� again, they come back, foment wars, kill off the rulers, etc. Drive Eugene

�� Sue into exile; he dies of a broken heart. Drive Calvin into exile; he can

�� never return to France. All the great Frenchmen are driven into exile.

�� So we have, as American patriots, we have a great camaraderie for the

�� French. They helped us in our American Revolution. And why did they

�� help us? Because they�ve been expelled from France. Why did Spain

�� help us? Why did they help finance our Revolution? The Jesuits had

�� been expelled from Spain. So payback came for Spain and France, for

�� helping this heretic, Protestant nation come into existence, with the

�� Napoleonic Wars, when they killed Louis XVI and drove the Bubons

�� from the Spanish thrown. That was payback.

�� Martin: For 30 years of war, from 1618‑1648, you state that the

�� Jesuits, through Ferdinand II, killed‑off 10 million people. That�s quite a

�� statement.

�� Phelps: That statement comes from Ridpath�s History Of The World,

�� published in 1899. And that is his encyclopedia of his history of the

�� world. That was common knowledge in 1899. The 30 Years War was

�� hell on Earth for Europe. Two‑thirds of Germany was brought back to

�� Rome. It was leveled, plundered, and destroyed.

�� Wallenstein and Tilly were the fanatical Roman Catholic generals who

�� raped, pillaged, and plundered everything in their path. But the Lord

�� raised up certain great generals like Gustavus Adolphus from Sweden.

�� He was called the "Snow King" and he was the one who ultimately, he

�� paved the way for the victory of the 30 Years War.

�� But without that Protestant victory of the 30 Years War, the peace of

�� Westphalia, which the Pope was not invited to, there would have been

�� no modern era as we know it today. According to any historian, the

�� modern era begins in 1648. That is when the 80 Year War in Holland

�� ended with Spain. That is when the 30 Years War ended with Ferdinand

�� II and the Protestants of Germany, and Sweden, and so‑on.

�� 1648 is the wonderful year in which the Modern Era began, when

�� inventors could go to Germany and say: "Well, you know, maybe the

�� Earth isn�t flat." And maybe Leeuwenhoek could invent the microscope

�� in Holland, and now, later on, James Clerk Maxwell, who was a

�� Bible‑believing, Protestant Presbyterian, he can write his treatise called

�� Electricity And Magnetism, the father of what we know today about

�� electricity and magnetism. Now, science can blossom and bloom. Now

�� we can have literature. Now we can have great writers, like Sir Walter

�� Scott, who writes great works like Ivanhoe and Peveril Of The Peak.

�� Now we can have Charles Dickens, another Protestant, who writes A

�� Tale Of Two Cities, one of London and the other of Rome. We have

�� great literature surfacing as a result of the Modern Era.

�� But the Jesuits, in their determination to destroy the Reformation and the

�� Modern Era and bring us back to the Dark Ages, seek to reverse the

�� effects of the Modern Era, and thus, what was brought about by the 30

�� Years War. And to know the 30 Years War is to understand the second

�� 30 Years War, which started in 1914 and ended in 1945.

�� Martin: In 1639, the Jesuits were also expelled from Japan. Apparently

�� the Jesuits never forgot that.

�� Phelps: They never forgot it. For over 200 years they have been

�� expelled. And remember the words of Lincoln: "The Jesuits never forget

�� nor forsake."

�� So, payback time was coming for Japan. The Emperor had expelled

�� them, so that dynasty was targeted. Ultimately, the Emperor would be

�� destroyed or his dynasty would end. And so payback time was the mass

�� fire‑bombings by the American Air Force, financed by the Jesuits, as the

�� Jesuits own Lockheed, Boeing, McDonald‑Douglas, and Grumman, and

�� they used their B‑29 to firebomb Japan to smithereens. You can get the

�� fact that the Jesuits control these aircraft companies from Avro

�� Manhattan�s The Vatican Billions.

�� Martin: I�m trying to get a little more current here, but some of this

�� older stuff is also so fascinating, I�m going back and forth here. Our

�� readers are just going to have to be a little flexible in their reading.

�� (laughter)

�� Phelps: Right.

�� Martin: In 1649 there was the Irish Massacre. What was it, and let�s

�� discuss the hatred between the Protestants and Catholics in Ireland, as a

�� result of the Irish Massacre.

�� Phelps: Ok. Of course, we believe in freedom of speech, freedom of

�� conscience, freedom of the press. That is an outgrowth of Protestantism,

�� because all Protestants were defending their right to believe the Bible in

�� the face of Rome�s expectations to believe the priests and the decrees of

�� the Popes.

�� Many of the Irish were born‑again. They came to know the Lord. Much

�� preaching was done up there. In fact, Patrick, of St. Patrick�s Day, was

�� no Catholic. He was a Protestant. And so, he was a great Protestant

�� preacher of Ireland, and many, many Irish came to know the Lord. And

�� their point of location was primarily in the North, in Northern Ireland,

�� which today is Ulster, Belfast, etc.

�� Well, the Jesuits, in fulfilling their Bloody Oath that we are making and

�� waging relentless war on all Protestants, and all political liberals, they

�� hatched‑out the plot to kill all the Irish Protestants in Ireland with the

�� O�Neil family. And I wonder if that O�Neil family was related to Tip

�� O�Neil?

�� In 1641, the massacre began, carried out by Roman Catholic nobles and

�� the mobs in Ireland. When they started that massacre, it continued from

�� 1641 to 1649. The massacre ended when they killed 150,000, but they

�� still taught the Catholic children to kill the Protestant children. So, Irish

�� Protestants were being massacred, enmasse, for 8 years.

�� This is NEVER told whenever anybody is ever talking about Oliver

�� Cromwell, when Cromwell came up with his Puritan Army and ended

�� that, when he took Drogheda, and killed every living thing in

�� Drogheda�men, women, children, animal, everything.

�� Ones say: "Oh, the beast Oliver Cromwell. Look what he did to

�� Drogheda!" What about those beasts killing those Irish Protestants for 8

�� years, bashing out the brains of the little babies, smashing them up

�� against the walls like they did, led by the priests?

�� This was just like they did in Croatia with the Serbs in World War II,

�� when they gouged‑out the eyes of all the Serbians, where one particular

�� priest had 23 kilos worth of eyes. They were doing the same thing to the

�� Irish Protestants.

�� So, when Cromwell came up, and it was vengeance for the Irish

�� Massacre, and the Irish Massacre was NOT started by the Protestants,

�� it was started by the Jesuits according to Fox�s Book Of Martyrs. And

�� you can find the whole narration there, which was a classic that all

�� Englishmen used to read with the King James Bible.

�� Martin: Do you believe that Great Britain is truly Protestant‑controlled,

�� Jewish‑controlled, or Jesuit‑controlled?

�� Phelps: Jesuit‑controlled.

�� Martin: Why?

�� Phelps: Well, let�s go back. To understand today we have to go back

�� to the Napoleonic Wars.

�� When Napoleon came to power, he was brought to power in Corsica.

�� When the Jesuits were suppressed, one of their main outposts during

�� their suppression was the Isle of Corsica. The Jesuits, remember, had

�� finished the High Rites of Freemasonry with Frederick the Great, and

�� then used their French Freemason Napoleon to execute their vengeance.

�� However, the Jesuits were also protected during their suppression in

�� England. A very wealthy landowner�and you can find this in Ridpath�s

�� History Of The World�gave his wonderful, beautiful estate Stonyhurst

�� to the Jesuit Order. And from then on, the Jesuits received protection by

�� King George III, and you will find that in Mitchell�s The Jesuits. Mitchell

�� is an English historian.

�� Ok, so the Jesuits are now protected by King George III. Well, they�re

�� going to uphold his throne. The Jesuits use the English army and navy in

�� the resistance of Napoleon, as both sides are controlled, so that the

�� Jesuits can control the outcome.

�� The end result is that, after Napoleon accomplishes everything that the

�� Jesuits want him to do�the expulsion of the Knights of Malta, the

�� driving of the Roman Catholics from their throne, imprisoning the Pope

�� for 5 years, etc.�Napoleon is then ordered to abandon his army in the

�� snows of Russia, killing all of those French and German patriots, so that

�� there are very few patriots left in Europe to resist the tyranny coming in

�� France with Louis XVIII, who the Jesuits will put back on the throne.

�� Louis XVIII was in exile, in England, in King George�s own parlor,

�� waiting for the end of the Napoleonic Wars. So, the Jesuits put Louis

�� XVIII back on the throne. He readmitted the Jesuits, started the

�� Inquisition, just like they did with Ferdinand VII when they restored him

�� to power in Spain after the Napoleonic Wars.

�� And where do these monarchs get their protection? From King George

�� III. King George was used by the Jesuits to restore their power in

�� Europe, after the Napoleonic Wars, after they punished the Pope and

�� the monarchs.

�� So, it�s been, really, from 1795, right around there, that the Jesuits have

�� controlled England. They�ve controlled the Knights, they�ve controlled

�� the King. All throughout the 18th century, now, England will never go to

�� war with France again. England will side with the French during the

�� Crimean War. England will be on the side of the French during World

�� Wars I & II. England and France are together, both controlled by the

�� Jesuits�even though France is predominantly a Catholic country, and

�� when England was, at least on it�s face, a Protestant country. Why

�� should both be working together, both having the same foreign policy.

�� Why? Because the Jesuits control both countries.

�� When Rothschild sent that note, via Roost, into London, saying that

�� Napolean had won the Battle of Waterloo, that�s when the stocks

�� plummeted, and all the Jesuits bought all the stocks up, there in London,

�� and got control of the Bank of England. The Jesuits then made London

�� their commercial center of the world, and Rome their religious center,

�� aiming that one day Jerusalem would be both.

�� So now the Jesuits are in control of England. After the Napoleonic

�� Wars, we have the Congress of Vienna in 1815, and guess who�s there?

�� All the representatives of King George. England is represented at the

�� Congress of Vienna, the settlement after the Napoleonic Wars. If

�� England was truly Protestant, they would have never went there. Now

�� the Jesuits are in control of England throughout the 1800s, and they use

�� the British Empire to further the power of the Pope. England has been

�� under Rome�s control, the Pope�s control, since, at the very latest,

�� 1850. And I say since 1795.

�� Martin: Let�s talk about Elizabeth II.

�� Phelps: Elizabeth II is a wicked, evil queen. She is the head of the

�� Knights of Malta in England. She curtsies to the Lord Mayor in Old

�� London, and she goes and visits the Jesuits of Stonyhurst and kisses

�� their derri�res. She has complete allegiance to the Jesuits of Stonyhurst,

�� and will do anything they tell her to do, or they�ll get rid of her just like

�� they got rid of all the rest of the monarchs in Europe.

�� Martin: So you see her as a pawn.

�� Phelps: She�s just a pawn, sure. She�s nothing. Remember, White men

�� rule the world. Evil, White, sodomite, homosexual men rule the world,

�� and these are the High Jesuits, with their High Knights of Malta and High

�� Freemasons, they rule. And these women who are involved are just

�� pawns in their game, like the queen, the queen of Holland, just to give

�� the appearance that these nations have a sovereign monarch, when in

�� fact, they�re just tools.

�� England has done some awful, terrible things, but all of the things that

�� they have done increase and benefit the Jesuit Order. They never

�� resisted Napoleon III. Napoleon III was a fanatical Roman Catholic

�� Freemason, subject to the Jesuits, who was the King of France for 18

�� years, second Empire. England never resisted him. They fought with him

�� in the Crimean War. And Napoleon III dedicated all of his ships to the

�� Virgin Mary. England has been on the side of the Jesuits since 1815, no

�� later. So, that means that the British Secret Service is totally working for

�� Rome, all throughout the 1800s.

�� Martin: How did the Jesuits regain control of the Vatican in 1814?

�� Phelps: Remember that they were in control of Napoleon. A Jesuit by

�� the name of Abbie Sieyes�you can find him, again, in Ridpath�s

�� History Of The World�Abbie Sieyes was a Jesuit‑trained individual,

�� and I believe he was a Jesuit. He was on the Directory, and he was also

�� on the Consulate; he was the second counsel. Napoleon was the first; he

�� was the second. He was the advisor and director of Napoleon. Abbie

�� Sieyes, being the Jesuit that he was, ordered Napoleon to imprison the

�� Pope for 5 years, and he did! So, the Pope was in prison for 5 years

�� until 1814, when he restored the Jesuit Order. The Pope, prior to that,

�� was killed. They brought him over the mountains of the Alps, and he

�� died through that debacle.

�� The Jesuits thoroughly humiliated the papacy. They used their French

�� soldiers to overturn St. Peter�s chair, and they found, written in Arabic:

�� "There is no other God but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet." And

�� THAT is what is under St. Peter�s chair today. That was stolen from

�� some kalif during the Crusades.

�� So, they completely intimidated the Pope and showed their power. The

�� Pope then restored them with a Papal Bull, calling upon the vengeance

�� of the Apostles Peter and Paul, blah, blah, blah, for anyone who would

�� ever suppress the Jesuit Order ever again. When the Jesuits were

�� "reinstalled" in all their power, that�s when they were in control of the

�� Pope, and from then on they have been.

�� Any Pope who resists them gets punished or murdered. And all the

�� Popes know it. When Pius IX wanted a liberal constitution for the Italian

�� people in 1849, all of the Italians were delighted. Here is a liberal Pope;

�� he�s going to give us constitutional rights; we�re going to have a

�� constitution.

�� The Jesuits raised up a revolution with Garibaldi and their Freemasons,

�� and drove Pius IX from his throne. He had to stay in Gaeta for about a

�� year. When he returned to Rome, under the protection of Napoleon

�� III�s French army�actually, it was the republic�s army that would later

�� be his "army of the empire"�but they returned with a French army,

�� protecting the Pope, he became the most fanatical absolutist, pursuant to

�� the wishes of the Jesuits.

�� So, Piux IX was punished. But the Popes who don�t obey, like, what

�� was it, In God�s Name, the Pope who was murdered after 33 days,

�� when he didn�t go along with the Jesuit Order, they ended his life.

�� [Editor�s note: Eric is here referring to the very well researched and

�� deeply insightful 1984 Bantam Books gem (that�s very hard to find,

�� for "some" reason!) by David A. Yallop, called In God�s Name, which

�� details the author�s thorough investigation into the murder of Pope

�� John Paul I the night of September 28‑29, 1978 after John Paul had

�� been digging into the massive web of corruption surrounding the

�� Vatican Bank. For all of you who look for clues, note well the

�� choosing of day 33 since his election for the execution of the

�� murder.]

�� When you steal from the Vatican, like the Cardinal did at the PII Lodge,

�� they killed him (Kalvi), and they hanged the other guy, beginning with the

�� admiralty jurisdiction, at their first bridge of the sea. So they have their

�� assassins everywhere to carry out orders. They are machines. They are

�� the perfect "Manchurian Candidates" and they will kill popes, cardinals,

�� presidents, kings, and kaisers, to maintain Jesuit power. They are utterly

�� ruthless�just like they said they would be in the Protocols: "We are

�� merciless."

�� Martin: As you look around the world today, who do you see opposing

�� them?

�� Phelps: It�s interesting. I have a friend who makes quite a few trips to

�� Haiti. I told her about the Jesuits. She got to questioning a few people,

�� and she found that Papa Doc had expelled the Jesuits from Haiti.

�� Martin: No kidding?

�� Phelps: That�s right. Isn�t it interesting, his son was also driven from

�� power and the guy put in his place, I believe it was Aristide, is a member

�� of the Council on Foreign Relations and a complete pawn of the Pope

�� and the Jesuit Order�for which reason, when those Haitians wanted to

�� drive Aristide from his power, this filthy, Jesuit‑controlled government in

�� Washington put an embargo against Haiti, wrecking the country. See

�� how the U.S. government uses its military, political, and financial power

�� to maintain the temporal power of the Pope? And that�s not only in

�� Haiti; it�s everywhere. Russia is another example.

�� Martin: Don�t you see, coming up soon in Israel, some of these powers

� ��coming head‑to‑head over the rebuilding of Solomon�s Temple? Don�t

�� you see some conflicts with the powers that be?

�� Phelps: Which powers are you talking about?

�� Martin: I don�t know; there seem to be so many involved.

�� Phelps: We first have to remember the creation of the nation of Israel.

�� World War I prepared the land for the people. World War II prepared

�� the people for the land. World War III, the battle of Armageddon, will

�� "prepare the people for their messiah"�with national repentance and

�� realizing that "Jesus, the messiah, is the savior and will deliver them".

�� The present government of Israel was set up by the High Masonic

�� Rothschild‑controlled Jews, and Rothschild has had an alliance with the

�� Jesuit General since 1876, with Adam Weishaupt. This is the very same

�� Rothschild powers who betrayed the Jews into the hands of the Nazis,

�� killing many Jews all throughout Europe, betraying their own Jewish

�� people. These are the very same powers who run the nation of Israel

�� today.

�� I read a very interesting paragraph by Mark Lane in his book Plausible

�� Denial when he tells about a Jew in Israel who wrote about certain

�� criminal Jews, involved with the Nazis, who are now with the Mossad,

�� something along those lines. The man who wrote the article was

�� gunned‑down in front of his home.

�� So, Rome controls the Israeli government. It controls the Israeli

�� government through the Mossad.

�� Who trained the Mossad? Reinhard Gehlen.

�� We find that fact in Loftus� work The Secret War Against The Jews in

�� most telling, telling detail.

�� So what do we have? We have high‑level treason and betrayal of the

�� Jewish race; that is there in Israel today, by their own leaders, who are

�� loyal to Rome and the Jesuit Order. And to show this, we have a great

�� big Rockefeller edifice in Jerusalem; we have an ophthalmology center in

�� Jerusalem run by the Knights of Malta. There�s nothing but Knights of

�� Malta, high‑level Freemasonry, and the Jesuit Order running all of Israel.

�� So what�s going to happen, I believe, with the Dome of the Rock is, that

�� has got to be removed�somehow, someway. It�s on the Temple site; it

�� has to be removed.

�� If I was the Jesuit General, I would make� somehow,

�� someway�American bombers do it. Because I want to create universal

�� hatred for this nation of the United States, because in the United States

�� there are more Protestants and more Jews than any country in the world,

�� and "we�ve" got to kill all those people. So what better way than to

�� create a Jihad, a Moslem fanatical attack against the United States,

�� coupled with a Chinese invasion from the East. That�s what I think is

�� going to happen.

�� The Jews are not going to destroy that Temple site because, if they do,

�� Rome will destroy their efforts of rebuilding the Temple.

�� Because, if Moslems control all of Jerusalem, that Temple will never be

�� rebuilt. It has to stay in Jewish hands�because the Jews, and rightfully

�� so, need their own homeland. They�re entitled to the nation. And they

�� haven�t had their own Temple of worship. They are rightfully entitled to

�� that.

�� But what they don�t know is that they are being used by the Jesuits to

�� rebuild their own Temple, that they would love to have rebuilt, for the

�� Pope, so he can sit there and be the man of sin, the Anti‑Christ of the

�� Book of Daniel, Chapter 9. That�s what I see coming for Israel.

�� The assassination of Rabin? He wanted to give away too much. He

�� probably wanted to give away some of Jerusalem. The Jesuits will never

�� allow that. So, his bodyguards just step aside and the Mossad kills him.

�� And nothing more is ever heard.

�� Rome�s�the Jesuit General�s�international intelligence community

�� carries out all high‑level assassinations, kills anybody who�s against their

�� program. And Cromwell knew this, back in his day, and that�s why he

�� protected himself�160 of his finest "ironsides" as his bodyguards, and

�� no one got to him.

�� So anybody who�s going to resist the Jesuit Order has to be doing it as a

�� matter of a "religious" conviction�being protected by God and good

�� men who are loyal to Him. If it�s simply political, with a hired Secret

�� Service, you can forget it.

�� Martin: Let�s go back to St. Patrick�s Cathedral in New York. Why is

�� that so significant? You talk about the American Pope. Again, that

�� person is?

�� Phelps: Cardinal O�Connor.

�� Martin: Now, what is his role in the United States?

�� Phelps: Ok, remember first that this title "American Pope" was gotten

�� from Conney�s work. John Conney wrote The American Pope, I

�� believe in 1988, so a lot of this information is from that document.

�� The American Pope is the Cardinal of New York. He is the most

�� powerful Cardinal in the United States. He is what�s called "the military

�� vicar".

�� The military vicar is in command of all of the military orders within the

�� United States, they being the Knights of Malta and the Knights of

�� Columbus. He is also in command, and privately, of "the Commission"

�� because Cardinal Spellman was an intimate of Joe Kennedy, and Joe

�� Kennedy was an intimate of Frank Costello.

�� We also see that it was Cardinal Spellman who enabled "Lucky"

�� Luciano to be released from the prison in New York, to return to Italy in

�� 1946. And this was because of the Luciano Project that I mentioned in

�� my book. But Lucky Luciano, his Mafia on the East Coast, worked in

�� conjunction with the U.S. Navy, supposedly to protect the Eastern

�� seaboard from German U‑boat attack.

�� So, as payback? Cardinal Spellman releases Lucky Luciano�that filthy,

�� wicked, evil, heartless spiritual bastard, who compelled young girls into

�� prostitution, probably one of the cruelest things any man could do. He is

�� released and sent back to Rome.

�� When the Kennedy assassination comes up, the Cardinal needs a favor.

�� After all, he�s released Luciano. So now the Mafia gets to participate:

�� Jack Ruby, Carlos Marcello, Santos Trafficante, all the High Dons

�� participate. Why? Because that Cardinal in New York controls the

�� Commission.

�� And that Commission, you know what it controls? All of the trucking, all

�� the supermarkets, it�s power is beyond our wildest imagination, second

�� only to the Knights of Malta. And, of course, they all control the Federal

�� Reserve Bank.

� ��The Cardinal controls the Federal Reserve Bank through the Council on

�� Foreign Relations. The Council on Foreign Relations belongs to the

�� Cardinal. Spellman was not a member of it, during his day, but two of

�� the most powerful members were Knights of Malta: Henry Luce and J.

�� Peter Grace, and also William F. Buckley, to this day. William F.

�� Buckley is indeed one of my enemies, because I name him, and he is a

�� powerful multi‑billionaire who participated in the Kennedy assassination,

�� just like Iacocca, another Knight. Both of those men are subject to

�� Cardinal O�Connor and will do ANYTHING he says.

�� Martin: Do you know who is head of the Knights of Malta, now?

�� Phelps: Yes; his name is Flynn. He took over when Grace died in �93.

�� Flynn is head of the American branch. The head of the worldwide

�� branch, the international Knights of Malta, is Andrew Bertie; he�s an

�� Englishman. And you can find that in the National Catholic Reporter,

�� when you go after their various articles on the Knights of Malta.

�� Martin: Do the Knights of Malta actually meet, actually hold meetings

�� with the Jesuits?

�� Phelps: Oh, sure. Remember that Alexander Haig is a powerful Knight

�� of Malta. His brother is a Jesuit.

�� So, sure they have meetings. The High Knights of Malta, who meet in

�� their palace on Aventin Hill, in Rome, of course, meet with the Jesuit

�� General, and so on. And Count von Hoensbroech, who was a German

�� Noble who became a Jesuit for 14 years�he wrote a two‑volume work

�� called Fourteen Years A Jesuit. His father was a Knight of Malta. Yes,

�� the Jesuits work in conjunction and have regular meetings with the

�� Knights of Malta.

�� The Knights control the money. The Knights control the banks. They

�� control the Bank of Canada, Federal Reserve Bank, Bank of England;

�� they control the banking. They were the ones who were behind the

�� sinking of the Titanic, with the creation of the White Star Line, J.P.

�� Morgan and others.

�� Martin: Alan Greenspan, then, would be?

�� Phelps: Alan Greenspan is a Jew, probably a Freemason, because he is

�� the leader of the Temple called the "Federal Reserve Bank" and they

�� always put Jews in the forefront�so that they can blame all of what they

�� do on the Jewish race in this country, to create an anti‑Semitism

�� everywhere, just like Charles Coughlin, the radio Jesuit priest of the �30s

�� did.

�� Greenspan, Bloomenthal, Warburg, and all those Jews need to be

�� publicly rebuked, because they are creating the mass genocide of the

�� Jewish race in the United States. The Jews are being blamed right now

�� for the foreign policy in Bosnia. Madeline Albright�she�s a

�� Jew�they�re blaming her for what�s going on in Serbia. I�ve got a good

�� Serbian friend who blames her. I said she�s just a pawn of the Jesuit

�� CFR. Don�t blame the Jewish people. It�s these Jewish "pawns" who

�� are loyal to the Pope and the Jesuits who are doing this.

�� The Zionists�the Jesuits are the Great Zionists. They control all

�� of the historical High Zionists�Theodor Herzl, David Ben‑Gurion,

�� Golda Meir. Zionism is a Masonic term, coined by the Jesuits.

�� They are the rulers; they are the Protocols; they are the Elders of

�� Zion. So the Zionists are, indeed, evil and wicked; but they are

�� controlled by Rome. The Jews are not all Zionists.

�� I remember when I went to Jerusalem and Israel in 1976, and a lady

�� said to this particular man that I had met: "You�re more of a Zionist than

�� we are!" And I thought: "What does that mean? I don�t understand that."

�� I only later understood why Yasser Arafat says he doesn�t hate the

�� Jews; he can�t stand the Zionists. And I�m thinking: "What�s the

�� difference?" I, later, learned that there is a great difference between

�� those Zionists and the other Jews. The Orthodox Jews can�t stand the

�� Zionists.

�� So what�s the difference? The Zionists are socialist communists,

�� controlled by Rome. They are atheists, just like the Jesuits, although

�� they�re being used to rebuild the nation of Israel. They are the enemies

�� of the Jewish people, per se.

�� There�s no conflict going on in the Middle East. There�s no conflict going

�� on with the Arab nations. All of the Arab nations are under the

�� command of Masonic kings or iotollas. Saddam Hussein is no enemy of

�� George Bush; they�re both brothers, brothers of the lodge. That whole

�� thing was set up to kill off a whole bunch of Arabs for the protection of

�� the Zionist state of Israel.

�� Martin: Well, Bush and Saddam were business partners. We�ve

�� covered that in recent past issues of our newspaper.

�� Phelps: Sure. That�s why they never killed Saddam. They could have

�� easily killed him. The CIA can kill anybody they want to. They could

�� have easily killed Saddam and got out. They could use their own Arab

�� agents in there. Saddam was a very important tool.

�� Martin: Still is.

�� Phelps: Still is, sure. They keep the Arab peoples and nations at bay by

�� controlling them through their leaders. Or, when they start to get out of

�� control in their Moslem fanaticism, they then foment a war and kill off a

�� whole bunch of them. Make sense?

�� Martin: There was a statement you made in your book about the Jesuits

�� controlling the Nation of Islam, and that was almost a surprising

�� statement to read. I would think that someone like Louis Farrakhan

�� would be pretty adamant.

�� Phelps: Yeah, he would hate me for that one. Well, let�s think a little bit

�� here:

�� Chicago is ruled by the Archbishop of Chicago, a Cardinal. It was

�� Cody; I don�t know who it is now. Do you think anything goes down in

�� Chicago without the Cardinal�s approval?

�� Where was the Nation of Islam founded? Chicago.

�� Where is Louis Farrakhan�s�that murderer�s�mansion? Chicago. He

�� lives like a king.

�� What does he hand out? He hands out the Protocols Of The Learned

�� Elders Of Zion to all of deluded Black Nation of Islam people, so that

�� they can hate the Jews, just like the Klu Klux Klan.

�� That�s right. Those three little tidbits, right there, prove that the

�� Nation of Islam is totally under Jesuit control. They are going to

�� be used to foment anarchy and agitation, because they have an

�� army called "the fruit of Islam", and they have millions of rounds

�� stored in all the major cities�guns stored everywhere, so that

�� they can start the race war. And when that happens, you see, then

�� the brothers in Washington can implement Martial Law, suspend

�� the Constitution, and now the Jesuits have what they want.

�� So, they use these Blacks in the North, who hate the White

�� people, for their own destruction, for the destruction of the Black

�� people themselves. And the Nation of Islam is part of that.

�� When I was in the Air Force, and in jail for about 10‑15 days, about 10

�� years ago, the Nation of Islam was paramount, or tried to be paramount,

�� there. All the Blacks in jail become Moslems. It�s a "hate the White

�� man" religion. Every White man is a White, blue‑eyed Devil. And they�re

�� playing�the Zodiac killer, back in California many years ago, all

�� Moslems. So it�s a "hate the White man" religion, designed to foment

�� agitation and unrest.

�� Martin Lucifer King was intimately involved with them. The only

�� problem is, Malcolm X got on to it. He realized he was being used and

�� he separated from it. Then he ceased to be an agitator.

�� Martin: Malcolm X was way ahead of his time.

�� Phelps: Yeah. Malcolm X was a good guy.

�� Martin: Yes, he was.

�� Phelps: Malcolm X, even though he was used by the Jesuits, because

�� he hated the King James Bible, he was a great agitator. When he went

�� to Mecca, he changed.

�� Martin: Yes, he did.

�� Phelps: And when he came back, he stopped being an agitator. He

�� stopped hating the White man. He started to set up the

�� African‑American Movement. And as a result, he was assassinated by

�� the high leaders of the FBI and the Nation of Islam.

�� And what do they both have in common? High‑level Shriner

�� Freemasonry.

�� And so, we have the Masons in control of the Nation of Islam and the

�� Klu Klux Klan�one agitating Blacks, and the other agitating Whites, to

�� the glory of the Jesuit Order. The other Civil Rights Movement had the

�� Jesuits behind that�with LaFarge. Jesuit LeFarge was a great mover

�� and shaker of the Civil Rights Movements. And that agitation resulted in

�� amalgamation, race‑mixing, the destruction of a White race and a Black

�� race, producing a nation of hybrids that cannot maintain free

�� government.

�� That is what they proposed to do in the first Reconstruction, but it failed;

�� so they succeeded in the second Reconstruction in the �60s. The Jesuits

�� are masters of the races. They know their strengths and their

�� weaknesses.

�� The only race who successfully resisted the Jesuit Order is the White,

�� Anglo‑Celtic, Saxon race, with a Bible in one hand and a gun in the

�� other. And so they�ve got to take the Bible away, they�ve got to take

�� the gun away, and they�ve got to destroy that race. And that�s what they

�� are essentially doing here. I know that�s a racist statement, but I�m

�� sorry, it�s just the way it is. That�s history, and that�s what they�re doing.

�� Black Pope Pt.2

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Robert Howard Wake Up America/Hard Truth:

Attached is an article which has just been published in The SPECTRUM Newspaper, and

which I wrote. It is a second, updated interview with the controversial author Eric Jon

Phelps, who wrote the newly release book titled VATICAN ASSASSINS: "Wounded In The

House Of My Friends" ‑‑ available through Wisdom Books and Press 877‑280‑2866

($34.95 plus shipping).� The book also contains a gift CD‑Rom with 13 rare books on the

subject of Jesuit History).� Feel free to post this interview, if you wish.

All the best,

Rick Martin for The SPECTRUM Newspaper

�� Maniacal World Control Thru

�� The Jesuit Order

�� Well‑Hidden Soldiers Of Satan

�� Black Pope pt. 3

�� The Black Pope Pt.1

�� 7/1/01 RICK MARTIN

�� ( [email protected] )

�� No political event or circumstance can be evaluated without the

�� knowledge of the Vatican�s part in it. And no significant world situation exists

�� in which the Vatican does not play an important explicit or implicit role. �

�� Avro Manhattan, �Protestant� Knight of Malta, English Historian and Agitator,

�� 1960, The Vatican And World Politics.

�� The Jesuits offer the world at large a system of theology by which every

�� law, Divine and human, may be broken with impunity, and by which the very

�� Bulls of Popes may be defied. It is a ghastly religion; it is a religion to be

�� abhorred by all honest and honorable men. � M. F. Cusack, Converted Nun

�� of Kenmare, 1896, The Black Pope.

�� The Jesuits laugh at us; and during their hilarity, the rattlesnake is coiled

�� at our feet, climbing to strike us in the heart. � Edwin A. Sherman, American

�� Shriner Freemason, Friend of Charles Chiniquy, 1883, The Engineer Corps Of

�� Hell.

You could call Eric Jon Phelps a controversial author. We know him as a consummate

researcher, a beloved friend, and a gentleman who lives his truth. Our readers will know

him best as my interviewee in our now infamous May 2000 issue of The SPECTRUM�the

issue that is known far and wide as the �Black Pope� paper.

Eric is also the author of the blockbuster book VATICAN ASSASSINS, an incredibly well

researched historical manuscript which shows the reader, in astonishing detail, where the

TRUE diabolical power and control of this planet resides�at least that controlling layer

which is in the physical dimension.

VATICAN ASSASSINS likewise acquaints the reader with a number of priceless old

documents and historical manuscripts that �certain ones� have done their very best to

remove from almost all of the world�s library shelves. Most of these documents are so

rare that just getting these back into public access and circulation is a great service to

all students of history thirsty for The Truth.

There has been so much interest in what Eric has to say that we decided to revisit a

number of issues and ask him to answer some dangling questions. After all, the kind of

connections which Eric makes are an entire level deeper than what we are used to

hearing in the �conspiracy theory� arena. Moreover, we have noted, with some degree of

surprise and �unveiling� over the past year or so, just who all have come forward to

attack Eric�s work�groundlessly and hysterically (but never to his face). These ones

know who they are and have, by their unprofessional and irrational actions, convincingly

revealed just who they really work for, while pretending to be presenters of Truth!

While it was my intent to focus the majority of the conversation on the present day,

there were some unresolved issues from the past that likewise required clarification. On

June 18, 2001, I had an opportunity to sit down with Eric Phelps, face‑to‑face, and

prevail upon him to answer a few key questions. Let�s see what he has to say.

Martin: Our last interview�the �Black Pope� issue of The SPECTRUM�went around

the world a few times. It�s also been on the Internet for quite some time. The manuscript

of VATICAN ASSASSINS has been distributed, but still no book. What�s happening with

the book? Why is it taking so long to come out in book form?

Phelps: The reason why it has taken a year to finalize the book is because there

were several historical mistakes that were corrected by some of the readers of the

manuscripts, the first and second manuscripts.

There was a Japanese individual named Toichi [Ryu] who corrected me on some of the

Japanese history regarding the Emperors and the Shogans, for which I thanked him and

made the necessary changes.

There were a few other similar changes that I had to make with regard to dates,

places, and some times; just a polishing‑up of the manuscript, so that it�s ready now.

We had one individual who was a Jesuit for 10 years. He got out of the Jesuit Order.

He read the manuscript. He greatly approved of it. And he sent us a list of corrections,

which we incorporated into the manuscript. So, there have been many people who have

added their polishing touches to it, for which I am thankful.

[Editor�s note: Wisdom Books & Press (877) 280‑2866 is accepting advance orders for

VATICAN ASSASSINS, the 700‑page book, which should be completed by the second or

third week in July. The cost for this huge volume is only $34.95, which includes a gift

CD‑ROM containing 13 rare books mostly �missing� from the world�s library shelves.]

Martin: I would like to concentrate this conversation largely on the present day. But,

before we get to the present, I would ask you to, once and for all, clarify something for

our readers who may be still confused about The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of

Zion.

There have been many sources and many reciting's of The Protocols. They�ve been

called a fraud. They�ve been called a forgery, which means that there was a document

that preceded it that it had to be based on. Everyone seems to point to the Jews, or the

Khazars, as the authors of The Protocols, and yet your research indicates otherwise.

Who, in your opinion, authored The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion?

Phelps: Cardinal Bea was the confessor of Pope Pius XII (Hitler�s Pope), a very

powerful Jesuit and Cardinal within the Vatican. According to Alberto Rivera, when

speaking with Cardinal Bea, Cardinal Bea said to him that The Protocols were written by

Jews loyal to the Pope.

I do not believe Jews wrote The Protocols. I do not believe Alberto Rivera was told

the whole story, because he did not have a �need to know�. Withholding information has

always been standard procedure for the Jesuits.

I believe men who were loyal to the Pope wrote The Protocols, and the men who were

loyal to the Pope who wrote The Protocols were the Jesuits, according to Leo

Lehmann�the ex‑Irish Catholic priest who became converted to Christ and set‑up the

mission there in New York City, Converted Catholics For Christ. He said that the Jesuits

wrote The Protocols, and that this is no new attempt of deception, based on their

document that they wrote concerning their attack on the Jansenists, which was called

The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourg‑Fontaine.

So, the Jesuits wrote The Protocols like they wrote The Secrets Of The Elders Of

Bourg‑Fontaine, and the language of The Protocols is identical to The Secret Meeting At

Cheiri [1825].

However, I have a quotation from a very brilliant and Godly, born‑again,

Bible‑believing, Irish Roman Catholic priest I referred to a moment ago. He wrote a book

entitled Behind The Dictators, first written in 1942, and there were two editions after

that. I have the 1945 edition. Dr. Leo Lehmann says that the Jesuits wrote The

Protocols. But before I get into that, I would just like to read to you who Dr. L. H.

Lehmann was.

�He was born in Dublin, Ireland, and received his primary education there from the

nuns and Christian brothers. He began his study for the priesthood at Mungret College,

Limerick, and at All Hallows College, Dublin. In 1918, he went to finish his theological

studies at the University of Propaganda Fide in Rome, where he was ordained a priest in

1921. He later studied at New York University from which he received the degree of M.A.

�After four years as a priest in Cape Town, South Africa, Dr. Lehmann was recalled to

Rome to continue negotiations at the Vatican courts concerning a legal case in which he

had been engaged, while a student in Rome, on behalf of many American bishops and

priests against the Jesuits. He later returned to South Africa, but was transferred to the

United States in 1927 and appointed pastor in Gainesville, the university city of Florida.

Dr. Lehmann is now director of Christ�s Mission in New York City and Editor‑In‑Chief of

The Converted Catholic magazine.�

So, here is a born‑again, Bible‑believing man who had been an Irish priest, who had

run‑ins with the Jesuits, who knew EXACTLY what they were all about. When you�re

involved in litigation within the Vatican, you know the law. And you know the history of

who you are opposing.

Here is what he had to say about the origin of The Protocols. This is found in his book,

Behind The Dictators, on page 15:

�Although first published in Russia in 1903, The Protocols Of [The Learned Elders Of]

Zion had their origin in France and date from the Dreyfus Affair, of which the Jesuits

were the chief instigators. They were planned also first to take effect in France, by the

overthrow of the �Judaic‑Masonic� government of the French Republic. But the discovery

of the gigantic fraud of Leo Taxil, who had been openly supported by the Jesuits, the

concluding of the Franco‑Russian alliance, along with the Vatican�s difficulties with the

French government at that time, made it more opportune to have them appear first in

Russia.

�These Protocols of supposedly Jewish leaders are not the first documents of their

kind fabricated by the Jesuits.

�For over a hundred years before these Protocols appeared, the Jesuits had continued

to make use of a similar fraud called The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourg‑Fontaine

against Jansenism�an anti‑Jesuit French Catholic movement among the secular clergy.�

Phelps: I might also add that the Jansenists were what we would call, really, Catholic

Calvinists. They believed in the sovereignty of God. They believed in justification by

faith. They believed in many Biblical doctrines, and therefore the Jesuits hated them and

later got the Pope to issue a Bull against them.

The Jesuits so hated the Jansenists, of which Blaise Pascal was one, that they

concocted this document, The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourg‑Fontaine, against them.

Martin: What year was this?

Phelps: This was in the 1600s, I believe, in France. It may have been the late 1600s,

because Blaise Pascal wrote his Provincial Letters in the later 1600s.

[Editor�s note: Eric brings to our attention a VERY interesting person here, much like

the great Nikola Tesla of a few hundred years later. Blaise Pascal, 1623‑62, was a great

mathematician, physicist, theologian, and man‑of‑letters, born in Clermont‑Ferrand,

France. In 1647 he invented a calculating machine, and later the barometer, the

hydraulic press, and the syringe. Until 1654 he spent his time between mathematics

(remember Pascal�s triangle and other intriguing mathematical and geometric

discoveries?) and the social round in Paris, but a mystical experience that year led him to

join his sister, who was a member of the Jansenist convent at Port‑Royal, where he

defended Jansenism against the Jesuits in Lettres Provinciales, 1656‑7.]

Now, I�ll go back to my reading:

�The analogy between the two forgeries is perfect�the secret assemblage in the

forest of Bourg‑Fontaine; the plan of the �conspirators� to destroy the Papacy and

establish religious tolerance among all nations; the alleged plot against Throne and Altar,

and the setting up of a world‑government in opposition to the Catholic Church. There is

the same dramatization of the negative pole of the historic evolution of the world, in

order to bring out, by contrast, the positive Christian [Catholic] pole, around which all

conservative forces�the monarchy, the aristocracy, the army, the clergy�must gather

to save the world from Satan�s onslaught.�

Phelps: Is this not identical to The Protocols? Except in The Protocols, it�s

Communism. Both documents want a world government, under someone other than the

Pope. So, it betrays the Jesuit hand throughout, in The Protocols, based upon The

Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourge‑Fontaine; and furthermore, after this document, The

Secrets Of the Elders of Bourge‑Fontaine, the next major document that we have is

Leone�s The Jesuit Conspiracy�The Secret Plan Of The Order, which was published in

1848.

In this document, Jesuit Leone was 19 years old and a novitiate in Cheiri, Italy, where

he, when he was snooping around in a back room, became trapped when Jesuit General

Roothaan and his provincials came in another room and he listened to this conversation

between the General and his provincials�in the mid‑1830s, around 1834�and while he

was hiding, he was taking notes.

They betray that the Jesuit General was intent upon setting‑up a World Government

by controlling the Roman Catholic hierarchy, the Pope, all the monarchies, and thus all

the governments of the world. And that is in Leone�s great work, The Jesuit Conspiracy,

published in 1848.

It was published in several languages. It went all throughout Europe, which

contributed to the people rising‑up against the power of the Jesuits in 1848, with the

Second French Revolution. But that revolution was controlled, the leadership of it was

controlled, and the end result was more power for the Jesuit Order in Europe.

Martin: You mention that The Protocols were an outgrowth of the Dreyfus Affair

[1890s]. And prior to that we have the Council of Trent [twenty‑five sessions of the

Council of Trent from 1545‑1563]. Can you put this in perspective?

Phelps: Ok. The Jesuits were busy creating Jewish hatred in Germany and in France in

the late 1800s. There was a man referred to in Ridpath�s Universal History Of the

World�I only found this here�he called his work �the solution to the Jewish question�.

Hitler came along, later, and had the FINAL solution to the Jewish question. So, they

were fomenting anti‑Jewish hatred in Germany, and they were fomenting anti‑Jewish

hatred in France.

Martin: Who are they?

Phelps: The Jesuits. The Jesuits were fomenting this in both countries because, at

this time, the Jesuits had been expelled from Germany in 1872, and they had been

expelled from France in 1880. So now they�re going to go after the Jews through their

agents in these two countries.

In France, they started the Dreyfus Affair, and that was in the 1890s. The Dreyfus

Affair had several purposes. It was to create anti‑Semitism�anti‑Jewish hatred in

France.

I hate to use the word anti‑Semitism. There are many Semites other than Jews. And it

was also calculated to create war with Germany, because Captain Dreyfus was accused

of treason in handing secrets over to the German government. It was all a frame.

He was completely framed. He was sent to Devil�s Island for 10 years, and suffered

the horrible tortures of Devil�s Island for that period of time. And then, later, when he

was brought back, he was vindicated and found �not guilty�, and the Jesuits were

blamed for having done this. So this became universally known in France, which

ultimately caused the Jesuits to be expelled, again, in 1901.

The Dreyfus Affair is a major European conspiracy with the Jesuit hand, against the

Jews, attempting to foment a war between France and Germany. Because, remember,

the French hated the Germans as a result of the trouncing that they got in the

Franco‑Prussian War of 1870. And they wanted vengeance for that.

So, we play on the people�s vengeance, create this issue between Germany and

France, we use the Jews to do it so we can get some anti‑Jewish fervor going, which

ultimately manifests itself in 1942 with the Vichy government in France, when they help

the Nazis round‑up all the Jews in France and send them to Auschwitz.

And it�s at that time, in 1942, in the Petain, that the Jesuits were formally readmitted

into France. That�s the significance of the Dreyfus Affair.

Martin: And what is the significance of the Council of Trent in relation to all of these?

Phelps: The Council of Trent puts heretics�which us Bible‑believers are, all

Protestants and all Jews�puts all of us under more than 100 curses because of what we

believe:

We believe in justification by faith.

�Accursed be all who believe in justification by faith.�

We believe that Baptism is simply an outward sign of salvation, and that it is not

necessary for salvation.

�Accursed be all those who believe that.�

We believe that, when we eat of the Lord�s supper, the bread and the wine are NOT

the literal body and blood of Christ, as the Council of Trent teaches, therefore we are

accursed because we do not believe in transubstantiation.

And we also believe that man has a right to his own judgment. He has a right to read

the Bible and make his own decisions as to what it means; that the Bible should be in the

language of the people, because this the foundation of freedom of conscience, freedom

of speech, and freedom of the press.

All of these things in the 4th session of the Council of Trent are condemned, anybody

who believes in: freedom of speech, and freedom of conscience, and freedom of the

press.

So, those maxims of the Council of Trent are brought into The Protocols when The

Protocols condemn freedom of conscience; they condemn freedom of the press; they

condemn national governments and national sovereignty.

You see, Bible‑believers, we believe in national sovereignty.

We do not believe in World Government.

We believe America should be governed by Americans.

We believe Japan should be governed by Japanese, etc.

We do not believe, we do not want, a European Union.

We do not want a combination of governments under Centralized Government.

We believe in national sovereignties, which is the reason why the South seceded and

left the United States, because they wanted to set‑up their own national sovereignty; it

was a Protestant maxim upon which they acted.

Ok, so Trent effects The Protocols. Trent effects The Secrets Of The Elders Of

Bourge‑Fontaine. Trent effects The Secret Plan, written by Leone in 1848. And hence,

now we have the doctrines of Communism effecting Marx and his Communist Manifesto,

because Marx was tutored in the British Museum BY JESUITS.

Martin: Who was behind the Council of Trent, The Secret Plan, etc. Who were the

men behind these, historically?

Phelps: Well, Diego Laynez went on to be the Jesuit General after Loyola; Laynez was

the second Jesuit General. He was the MASTER‑MIND of the Council of Trent. Laynez

was a Jesuit by allegiance, and a Jew by race. This is very important. And it�s the result

of Laynez being a Jew, when this was brought to light in 1593, that the Order passed a

statute that NO JEW COULD EVER BE IN THE JESUIT ORDER AGAIN. This is VERY

important. This is why Weishaupt was not a Jew. It was against the constitutions of the

Order for a Jew to be in the Order.

Martin: And what relation does Weishaupt have to all of this?

Phelps: Weishaupt was the promoter of the Illuminati, with the House of Rothschild,

for the punishment of the Catholic monarchs of Europe, and the Pope, for suppressing

the Jesuit Order.

So, Weishaupt did not act alone. Weishaupt was under the supervision, at least

initially, of Jesuit General Ricci, who died in 1775 in Italy. Weishaupt was under orders.

Martin: Who is Jesuit General Roothaan?

Phelps: Jesuit General Roothaan was the General of the Society from the 1830s to

the mid‑1850s. Jesuit General Roothaan was the one who oversaw The Secret Plan At

Chieri, of which Leone overheard and then wrote about.

Martin: So this is KEY to what we are talking about?

Phelps: Extremely key.

Martin: And who is Peter Beckx?

Phelps: Peter Beckx was the Jesuit General in the late 1800s and early 1900s. He was

the one who gave the order and oversaw the sinking of the Titanic.

Martin: Let�s talk about that now. Why have you drawn the historical conclusion that

the Jesuits sank the Titanic?

Phelps: Because they benefited. And they were present, on site, on the ship, prior to

it�s sinking. When we have a powerful organization that is working together, such as the

Jesuit Order, and the power that they had prior to their suppression, and that they had

never changed, and they are still working toward a World Government under the Pope,

we look for the Jesuit Order in these national crises that arise�and in this issue, the

Titanic.

We must ask the question: Even though we can�t place where they are at the

moment, did the Jesuit Order benefit from this? And the answer is: Yes, they did.

They benefited because it paved the way for the establishment of the Federal

Reserve Bank, which they own and control, by proxy, through the Knights of Malta, with

their various trusts and so on. They never own anything outright; they always own it

through a trusted third party.

How do we know that the Jesuits control the Federal Reserve Bank? Because the

Federal Reserve Bank was used to finance the second �Thirty Years War��from 1914 to

1945�in which everything that transpired fell out for the benefit of the Vatican,

everything.

Then, of course, when we discover that the most powerful man in Ireland, the Jesuit

Provincial Francis M. Browne, was on the Titanic taking pictures of all those who would

be going down. And then, right before it departs Queenstown, Ireland, to set out for the

North Sea, �the lucky priest departed off the ship� in the words of Martin Sheen, who

narrated Secrets Of The Titanic.

It was more than luck; it was planned that way. Martin Sheen has been to the Jesuit

Novitiate at St. Jacques, in Warnersville, Pennsylvania. Martin Sheen is a bosom buddy of

the Jesuits.

The men who went down were wealthy Jews who were resisting the establishment of

a centralized bank in America, particularly John Jacob Astor, who was a personal friend of

Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. And Brandeis greatly resisted the establishment of

the central bank.

Martin: Astor, Guggenheim, and Straus were three Jewish men who went down with

the Titanic. Why do you focus so much of your attention on Astor?

Phelps: Astor was the wealthiest Jew in the world, some say the wealthiest man in

the world. But he was, most definitely, the wealthiest Jew. He did not have more money

than the Pope. But he was the wealthiest man in the world and he was using his wealth

NOT in accord with the Jesuit Order.

Now, later, his son, John Jacob Astor IV, became part of the money trust, which can

be found on the Internet; and so the Jesuits had access, now, to the Astor fortune.

They control it now. But, at that time, they got rid of Astor because they wanted his

fortune, and they wanted to end his resistance to the establishment of a national bank.

And they do this pursuant to The Secret Instructions, that they will take the fortunes of

widows and other people who resist them.

And that is what they did in Eugene Sue�s The Wandering Jew. That story revolves

around a French Protestant family, the Renneponts, and the Jesuits killing‑off every

member of the Rennepont family, so that they can have the fortune when it would be

opened up at a certain day, at a certain time in Paris. And the man who held the fortune

in trust was a Jew. So, that�s why they got rid of Astor.

Martin: What was that quote from the movie JFK about the Titanic?

Phelps: I believe Oliver Stone was overseen by the Jesuits, who control Hollywood.

And, therefore, a lot of the lines were authored by Jesuits.

One of the lines authored by the Jesuits was when Garrison was sitting at the table

and he said: �People, we�ve got to start thinking differently. We�ve got to start thinking

like the CIA. White is black, and black is white.�

That is DIRECTLY from Ignatius Loyola�s Spiritual Exercises. [Ignatius Loyola was the

founder of the Jesuit Order in 1540.] When he tells the people that they believe the

hierarchical Catholic Church and believe white is black and black is white, if the hierarchy

says so. That�s right out of the Spiritual Exercises.

Well then, when one of the associates, Bill, of Garrison�s staff, is approached by an

FBI agent, and the FBI agent is trying to win him over to their side, that FBI agent says:

�There�s going to be millions of people who are going to die. Besides, you�ve got to get

away from Garrison. He�s going down with the Titanic.�

That is a clue, right there, that the same men who were behind the Kennedy

assassination, attempting to frustrate Garrison�s investigation, were the same men who

sunk the Titanic.

Martin: I�m looking at the front‑page headline from a little‑known rag‑sheet, and the

current headline that I�m reading says: �Khazarian Zionists Are The Anti‑Christ.� Now,

what can you explain to our readers about who might be behind such a headline, and

what is the AGENDA of such a headline?

[Editor�s note: Some of you readers who may be familiar with the publication should

know that Rick is referring to the June 13, 2001 issue of the CONTACT newspaper.]

Phelps: We know that the Jesuits, in their agendas, hate the Jews.

And you add: �Eric, you say that the Jesuits set up Zionist Israel.�

The Jesuits control the Masonic Jewish Zionists who control Zionist Israel. They HATE

the Jewish race. And when I speak of Jews, I�m not speaking of Judaism. I�m not

speaking of their evil religion, that openly and notoriously rejects Jesus as the Messiah;

even Josephus realized Jesus was the Messiah.

I�m talking about the RACE. And when I�m speaking of the Jewish race, I�m speaking of

the descendants of Jacob, through his 12 sons, and their physical descendants. That�s

what I mean when I speak of the Jews.

Many, many Orthodoxes today believe there is no such thing as the Jewish race. They

are in error about that, because in Romans IX, X, & XI, it speaks specifically about the

Jewish race, that Christ was a Jew; that Christ spoke in John, Chapter IV, we know

whom we worship for salvation is of the Jews.

So, he identified himself as a Jew. The Apostle Paul identified himself as a Hebrew of

Hebrews, an Israelite, etc. So the terms Jew, Israelite, and Hebrew are all synonymous

terms; they are the physical, racial descendants of Jacob. And, therefore, the Abraham

covenant and promises apply to them, and they have not been fulfilled to this day. They

are in the great diaspora�they are in the great dispersion.

And so, Satan, not wanting them to inherit these promises, has set‑out to destroy

the Jewish race any way he possibly can. And his greatest tool in the destruction of the

Jewish race is the Jesuit Order.

Martin: Are you saying that this headline that I just read to you has an agenda

behind it?

Phelps: Absolutely.

Martin: And what is that agenda?

Phelps: The agenda is to create world‑wide anti‑Jewish fury, in every nation of the

world, so as to drive all the Jews back to Israel for their final annihilation when the

Jesuits bring in the armies of the Earth and when the anti‑Christ, the risen Pope, brings

in the armies of the Earth in his last, mad attempt to destroy all of the Jews, so that

they cannot inherent the promises given to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Martin: If there is an intelligence community behind this publication, it�s easy enough

to draw the conclusion, from what you�re saying, that the Jesuits, who control the

intelligence community, would be specifically behind this agenda to foment hate and

agitation against the Jewish race.

Phelps: Absolutely. Especially the American Jews, because there are more American

Jews, here in this country, than there are in Israel. And one of their agendas in the next

10‑20 years is to create anti‑Jewish fury, and to drive the American Jews back to Israel,

killing millions of them, as well, here, because they�re planning to bring their Roman

Catholic Fascist dictator to power�just like they did with Hitler in Germany; just like they

did with Stalin in Russia; just like they did with Franco in Spain; just like they did with

Mussolini in Italy. They have the same exact agenda here. They�re going to do it through

the Republican, �New Right� party, of which George Bush is now the head.

Martin: At one point, you made a comment privately concerning the Right‑Wing militia

movement possibly being influenced with another agenda. Can you talk about that?

I�ll just say up‑front that this is going to strike at the heart of many people�s belief

system. And some may have difficulty with what you say.

Phelps: The Right‑Wing militia groups�the posse comitatus, etc., Ku Klux Klan, the

Minutemen, they all have one thing in common: they all hate the Jews. That puts up a

flag for me. And if they all hate the Jews, that tells me that they have been imbibed, or

indoctrinated, with hatred for the Jews. They all hate the Jews; and as an aside, so do

the Black Moslems [Muslims]. Louis Farrakhan openly hands‑out The Protocols Of The

Learned Elders Of Zion and blames all our problems, and all the Black man�s problems, on

the Jews.

So, the Right‑Wing posse comitatus groups are all controlled by the Jesuits because

they are all anti‑Jew, and they have NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THE JESUIT ORDER.

NOTHING!

Martin: Wouldn�t you say that most of the groups just don�t have a clue about the

Jesuit Order?

Phelps: Not their leadership. A lot of these groups have Catholics in them. There�s not

a Catholic around who doesn�t know the power of the Jesuit Order, in their educational

power, and the power of government.

We have Drinin in Congress; we have McLaughlin who was writing speeches for Nixon

for $35,000 a year. We have Jesuits all throughout the government. There�s not any

intelligent Roman Catholic who�s involved in these Right‑Wing Movements who doesn�t

know the power of the Jesuits.

THEY DON�T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THEM. JUST LIKE THE PRESS WON�T TALK ABOUT

THEM.

So, this Timothy McVeigh thing�is that what we�re leading to?

Martin: Well, no, but go ahead.

Phelps: This Timothy McVeigh thing�here�s another Irish Roman Catholic sacrificed,

just like Kennedy, for the sake of attempting to create a national backlash or agitation

against the Right‑Wing Movement people, because a lot of the Right‑Wing Movement

people are true patriots who want their liberty; they want to maintain their guns; they

want freedom to educate their children as they wish; they�re decent people, but they

are not aware that the leadership is controlled by the Vatican.

So, the Jesuits in control of Clinton fomented the Oklahoma City bombing to justify

going after these Right‑Wing, conservative, many of them Bible‑believing, people in this

movement, for their round‑up and extermination. But it didn�t quite work.

So, they imploded the building. They got rid of Timothy McVeigh. That whole

execution could have been stayed with one phone call from the Archbishop of New York

to the Bishop of Oklahoma City, and he wouldn�t do it.

That was the purpose of the Oklahoma City bombing, the creation of anti‑Right‑Wing

feeling. And the people at the top, controlling the Right‑Wing organizations, will betray

their own people, just exactly as the White Russians were betrayed during the

Communist Revolution from 1917‑1922.

Their own leadership will betray them�just as Hitler betrayed his armies to the East,

cut‑off supplies, would not allow them to take Moscow, froze them in the snows of

Russia; just as Napoleon betrayed his armies in the East, abandoned 250,000 men; that�s

exactly what�s going to be done to our Right‑Wing patriotic people who are the only

bulwark against tyranny in this country today.

Martin: We�re almost to the present day. But, before we get to the present day, let�s

stop for a minute, once again, and talk about JFK�s assassination. I�m going to mention a

few names, and then let�s talk about the Jesuit influence behind that assassination and

the reasons why.

John McCone, head of the CIA; Cardinal Spellman, Archbishop of New York; Henry

Luce; Carthe DeLouche; and E. Howard Hunt. Why are these names important? What are

their relationships? And WHY would you point the finger at someone like the Archbishop

of New York, Cardinal Spellman, of all people, to place the responsibility for the JFK

assassination directly at the Vatican? How can you justify that?

Phelps: We know we�re looking at a conspiracy, so we ask the question, again: Who

benefits? Who benefited from the death of JFK? Well, we know, according to the works

of the great Fletcher Prouty, JFK was going to end the Vietnam War in 1965. We also

know that JFK was going to end the reign of the CIA, and all of their military, covert

operations were going to be handed‑over to the Army Chiefs of Staff. Therefore, the CIA

benefited, and those who wanted the Vietnam War benefited.

We now must ask the question: Who wanted the Vietnam War? Well, we know that

many factions did, but we see, openly and in our face, Cardinal Spellman wanted the

Vietnam War. Cardinal Spellman�s man in Vietnam was Diem. Diem was a fascist Roman

Catholic, persecuting the Buddhists. And his brother was head of the Secret Police. So,

Diem was Cardinal Spellman�s man in Vietnam. Diem was assassinated because Kennedy

withdrew the CIA representative out of Saigon.

The other thing is, Cardinal Spellman, throughout the Vietnam War, would travel over

there at the war‑front and he�d call the soldiers the �soldiers of Christ�, according to

Avro Manhattan, in his great work Vietnam: Why Did We Go? So, Cardinal Spellman

wanted the Vietnam War, and if Cardinal Spellman wanted the Vietnam War, the Pope

wanted the Vietnam War, and if the Pope wanted the Vietnam War, the Black Pope

wanted the Vietnam War, the Jesuit General.

Martin: Who was?

Phelps: Jean Baptiste Janssens. He died in 1964. From 1964 to 1983 or so, it was

Pedro Arrupe.

Martin: So you�re saying that Janssens had an agenda.

Phelps: Jean Baptist Janssens had an agenda, and that agenda was to annihilate as

many Buddhists as possible, because the Buddhists have always been the enemies of the

Jesuits. When the Jesuits took Japan in 1873, what did they do? They outlawed, they

made it so that the government of Japan would not support the Buddhist religion

anymore. Buddhism has ceased to be the state religion. So they�ve always been the

enemy of the Buddhists.

The other thing about the Vietnam War is that it created a $220 billion dollar debt for

the American people, and that debt was incurred by the Congress, who borrowed that

money from the Jesuits� Federal Reserve Bank.

So the Jesuits made big money. They killed lots of �heretics�. They preserved the CIA.

Because, remember: the CIA was initially founded and set‑up by one particular man,

Reinhard Gehlen, who was a Nazi General, who was Hitler�s most sinister General. And so,

he incorporated all of the Nazi intelligence apparatus into the CIA in the West. It was

also incorporated into the KGB in the East. They were called �Freedom Fighters�; they

were really working for the KGB, these SS, Nazi men. If the Jesuit General controlled the

KGB, he controls the CIA.

Kennedy was getting in the way. Kennedy also did not want the voucher system for

public schools, of which George Bush is a great promoter. The Vatican wants the

American taxpayer to pay for Catholic schools because, remember, Roman Catholicism,

left to itself, without government support, crumbles. It has nothing to offer. There is no

freedom of speech, no freedom of press.

THE CATHOLIC PEOPLE DON�T OWN ONE SQUARE FOOT OF CHURCH PROPERTY. THEY

DON�T OWN ONE BRICK OF THEIR CHURCHES. IT�S ALL OWNED BY THE HIERARCHY.

They are simply to obey their hierarchy, and in America that�s not good enough.

Catholic people don�t want that in America. Catholic people, for the most part, enjoy

freedom of press, and freedom of speech, and freedom to make a profit; all of those

things the Vatican does not want. A case in point is all of South America and Central

America.

Martin: Well, why do you think�other than the fact that there have been 100‑200

people killed who knew anything about the JFK assassination�why do you think it�s never

come out?

Phelps: Because the American branch of the Knights of Malta, of which McCone was

a member, Henry Luce was a member, William F. Buckley was a member, Lee Iacocca

was a member, Cartha DeLoach of the FBI was a member, etc. They control the press!

And they controlled CBS, at that time, with a man named Frank Shakespeare, who was a

Knight of Malta. The Knights control ABC, CBS, and NBC, and Time/Life; that�s why

Time/Life attempted to destroy the Zapruder film.

I might also add, throughout the publication of �The Black Pope� interview we did back

in May 2000, and my first two manuscripts since that time, there has not been one

Roman Catholic who has emailed me, or attempted to contact me in any way, denying

that Cardinal Spellman did this; not one. But we have several clandestine Jesuits who are

in complete agreement, and who admit that this is exactly what was done.

Martin: Let me ask you about Opus Dei. We�ve been accused of hiding Opus Dei in the

background as being the real power behind the Vatican, and therefore, the power over

the Jesuits. Have we conspired to withhold the mention of Opus Dei in our discussions?

Phelps: No. Opus Dei is a subordinate organization to the Pope, who is in control of

the Knights of Malta, and therefore there are Knights of Malta in Opus Dei.

The Jesuits control Opus Dei through the hierarchy of the Pope and through the

Knights of Malta. Opus Dei is composed of prominent Roman Catholic businessmen and

politicians who have given themselves over to �God�s work��that�s what Opus Dei

means�for making the Pope the Universal Monarch of the world, ruling the world from

Solomon�s rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.

An example of this is the former head of the FBI, Louis Freeh, was a member of Opus

Dei.

And so, we now understand the Waco incident, where those White Protestants were

killed; it was the work of the Opus Dei. And we also have to remember that the

sharpshooter, one of them there, was a Japanese Roman Catholic, Lon Horiuchi.

But Opus Dei is determined to create a World Government under the Pope. Opus Dei

was created in the 20th Century, whereas the Knights of Malta were created in the 11th

Century, and the Jesuits were created in the 16th Century, in 1540, with Ignatius

Loyola.

So, the super‑secret society of the Jesuit Order, in control of the Knights of Malta,

were in existence nearly 500 years before Opus Dei. Opus Dei, like the Knights of

Columbus, is a subordinate organization to the Jesuit Order.

Martin: Ok, now that we have some of these things put temporarily to rest�until the

book comes out!�let�s talk about the present day.

There are a few things happening that everyone needs to be aware of and concerned

about. I�ll just mention a few countries, and then we can begin: Israel, Cuba, China,

North Africa, and Japan. What�s happening with our relationship with these countries?

How are we going to be sucked‑in to a conflict? And what are the ramifications going to

be? Lines in the sand are being drawn, alliances are being created between powerful

nations, and why should we be concerned about that?

That�s a big question.

Phelps: That�s a big question. I�ll try to deal with a piece at a time, if I may.

I�m going to start with the 14th Amendment American Empire that was established in

1868 after the Jesuit Order destroyed the Federal Republic or the Confederate Republic

of sovereign nation states that Washington established in 1789.

The Jesuits have used the 14th Amendment American Empire to restore the temporal

power of the Pope over all nations around the world for the last 100 years. And that�s

why they have garrisoned American troops throughout the world. That�s why they have

laid upon us an iniquitous and sinful federal income tax, with which they finance these

crusades around the world.

So, their American Empire has served them well in the restoration of the temporal

power of the Pope around the world, especially over Orthodox Russia, Buddhist China,

Buddhist Japan, South and Central America through the CIA; this is the purpose for the

British and America Empires. They used the British Empire in the 19th Century to do this,

and they used the American Empire in the 20th Century to do this. So they take the

most powerful Protestant empires, and the wealthiest, harness their governments, and

use such for their own purposes.

Alright, now that America has been used for its purpose, it is time to destroy it. And

we must remember that America is the haven for the Jews of the world, which the

Jesuits have accursed; it is the haven for Bible‑believing Protestants, called �heretics�,

who the Jesuits have accursed; and it is the haven for peoples of many, many different

races who simply want to have some liberty in life, which are called �liberals�, which the

Jesuits have accursed.

The United States is a refugee nation, made up of many, many nationalities now. We

are no longer a White, Anglo‑Saxon, Protestant nation, as we were. We are composed of

a host of different nationalities, with a host of religious beliefs, and thus this nation has

been fragmented and agitated and is a disconcerted mess, with no real national purpose

anymore.

The Jesuits have fired‑up the Negro agitation of the Civil Rights Movement. They

continue to fire that up with Hollywood, with such movies as Roots, etc.

They don�t tell the whole story of Malcolm X. He was an agitator to begin with. When

he came back from Mecca, he changed his story and denounced the Nation of Islam,

along with the Ku Klux Klan, stating that �they both had the same paymasters�. And he

was absolutely right. They have agitated and broken apart this country, so we have no

more national purpose.

The next thing that they�ve done, they�ve disarmed us. They�ve closed‑down over 100

military bases. We have no domestic defense. The foreigners, the Mexicans come across

the borders by the thousands, and the major corporations hire them, and they do their

work for them, which is all illegal. It should be punished by law. But we have no

punishment by law in this country anymore.

So we have the reign of crime. We have all of these illegal immigrants. We have the

destruction of the White race. When this nation ceases to be White, it will cease to be

great, because there is not a nation in the world that�s a nation of color that can

compete on the international scale of business and trade and commerce; they can�t do

it.

A nation that was once White, but is now a nation of color, is Cuba. Cuba used to be

a prosperous, beautiful place, but now, with all the amalgamation and inter‑racial

marriage, it�s 95% Black; it�s under a Roman Catholic, Jesuit‑trained Dictator named Fidel

Castro; and it is a miserable place to live. And that is EXACTLY what this country is

going to be like if it continues on the track it is now on.

The Jesuits have determined to destroy this American Empire that they have used for

the last 100 years. So what they are doing now is, they are going to break apart the

Empire.

And how are they doing this? Well, one of the things they�ve done is they�ve created

this issue where an American submarine hit this Japanese fishing boat, killing all the

Japanese on the boat, I believe, and the skipper was court‑martialed. But nonetheless, it

was a deliberate act of murder, because with that kind of technology on a submarine,

you just don�t hit a boat. And you just don�t have some civilian driving the submarine

either. That�s ridiculous. So they are creating agitations with nations like Japan, with this

incident.

They�re creating deliberate agitation with nations like China, with the bombing of the

Chinese Embassy in Belgrade. They�re creating agitations with China, Japan, which will

ultimately result in Japan and China uniting. With the military power of China, with the

economic power of Japan�when already Hong Kong has been given to China, which now,

because of that financial might, China is able to take control of the Panama Canal; they

control the canal locks through Hutchen Wimpoa, a Chinese corporation. They are now

building the largest shipping dock in the world in the Bahamas, owned by the Red

Chinese. The Red Chinese now have the Long Beach Naval Station, which is now Cosco.

So they are in a position now to be able to establish a beach‑head when they invade.

The thing is: Does China have the fleet to do it? No, China doesn�t have the fleet right

now to do it, but Russia does. Russia has the largest merchant marine fleet in the world.

And we are very much deceived into thinking that China and Russia are enemies. They

are not enemies; they work together. They are controlled by the same Jesuit Order. The

Jesuits run Peking; they also run Moscow. They run the dictator of China and they run

the dictator of Russia. It doesn�t matter who he is. It doesn�t matter what their names

are. The Jesuits control them, and if they resist them, they�re out! Just like in the United

States.

So, they�re breaking apart the American Empire. They�re creating a huge coalition of

Oriental nations for our invasion.

Now, let�s talk about Africa. There are 700,000, as I understand it, Chinese troops in

Somalia. Chuck Colson, one of the conspirators in the Kennedy assassination and the

Watergate cover‑up, is now the false Bible‑believer, the false Protestant. He�s working

for the Jesuits because the head of his prison fellowship is a Roman Catholic.

Colson now is being used to try to get an American military force into the Sudan to

save these Black Christians, who in fact are Black Roman Catholics. If that is

accomplished, if that is done, we are now going to have a large military force in the

Sudan, and there�s a large military force in Somalia. What do you think it would take for

those two military forces to clash?

And if those military forces clash, we will have an escalation in Africa, which I believe

is what the Jesuits want. Because, if that happens, there can be a surgical strike into

Jerusalem for the blowing‑up of the Dome of the Rock. The Moslems, the Muftis, have

known that was the intent of the Zionists for years, the blowing of the Dome of the

Rock, so that Solomon�s Temple can be rebuilt. And you can find this information in Pierre

van Paassen�s great work, written in 1939, called Days Of Our Years. So, with this

coalition with the 14th Amendment American forces against the Chinese forces in Africa,

this could happen.

Now, what would happen as a result of the destruction of the Dome of the Rock? Well,

the Moslems regard the Dome of the Rock as the third most important holy place in their

religion. They would call for a Jihad against �The Great Satan�, the United States. And

with a Jihad, a Holy War, against the United States, they would then go across Africa to

West Africa. There will probably be a coalition of ships ready at that time, to be ferried

across the Atlantic Ocean into Cuba. And Cuba will be the landing base, the staging base

for the invasion of the Protestant American South, the last real Protestant bastion of

liberty in the world.

Remember: according to the Koran, it is no murder to kill a Christian; in fact, it is a

virtuous act.

So, here we�d have all of these Moslem troopers, millions of Moslem troopers will be

landing in Miami, landing in New Orleans, landing in the South of the United States,

coupled with a Cuban military force, coupled with, probably, also a Chinese military force

coming from the West Coast, and coming up through the Panama Canal to unite with

them in the attack of the American South. With the blood bath that will ensue, this

whole coalition of nations: China, Russia, Cuba, the Arabs, they will carry out the

destruction and annihilation of this North American population, WHICH INCLUDES

CANADA; it definitely includes Canada.

It is for this reason, because the government is controlled by the Jesuits, the

government of the United States is seeking our total disarmament and the abolition of all

gun ownership. This is why the Jesuit Conference, for years, has been

anti‑gun‑ownership, meaning handguns, rifles, and shotguns.

So, to have the American people completely disarmed, our military cut way down, we

have no Navy any more, really, to speak of; we have no Army�it�s a totally demoralized

Army, with this forced integration; and we have Black supremacy in the Army.

I was there, in Germany, for 3 years. I watched it with my own eyes. So, we have a

demoralized American Army that doesn�t know what to fight.

Martin: Let me just jump‑in here to say that Bush is beefing‑up the military, reversing

what was done previously by Clinton. How can you say we have a weak Army when

we�re about to spend billions beefing up our defenses? Is this just a show?

Phelps: That�s just a show. Because the Jesuits who controlled Clinton are the same

Jesuits who control Bush. And remember, we were already scaling‑down with Carter and

Reagan and Ford.

And so, this whole idea of re‑armament, it might be for some super‑system of

preventing missiles from coming in, an anti‑ballistic missile system, but that�s ridiculous,

because we know there is no such thing as universal nuclear war. We have no evidence

that incoming nukes can detonate a specific target.

We don�t know EXACTLY what transpired at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but they have

contorted that into the hoax of thermo‑nuclear war, which I do not believe can happen.

Bruce Cathie doesn�t believe it can happen; William Cooper doesn�t believe it can happen;

and other physicists don�t believe it can happen. Other physicists don�t believe it�s

possible, which now limits us to a standing army of men who know how to fight, which

we do not have. We don�t have it anymore.

So, with all of these hordes of invaders coming in, and a disarmed population, it would

be a piece of cake. Remember that Spain was invaded by 4 million Moslem troopers. They

landed in the Canary Islands, and from the Canary Islands they then invaded Spain, and

they were led by a Roman Catholic Archbishop who was backing Franco! This is in the

1930s.

If they did it in the �30s, won�t they do it now? And if they used Moslems to kill

Orthodox Serbians just recently, in the 1990s, wouldn�t they use Moslems to kill

Protestant Americans? If they used Moslems to kill Roman Catholic Spanish, wouldn�t

they do the same thing here? Sure they would. So that�s what is happening in the United

States.

Martin: What just happened in Europe with Bush going over there and theoretically

being given a hard time by the European community? What do you see happening in

Europe right now?

Phelps: Well, not believing the press is our first maxim of reading.

Remember, a unified Europe is a Vatican brainchild. That all originated with the Jesuits

in the Vatican for the reuniting of the Holy Roman Empire, which our friend Leo Lehmann

said is exactly what the Jesuits wanted in 1942�a reunited Holy Roman Empire with a

Catholic Germany at it�s core.

Martin: And you base all of your conclusions just on this one person?

Phelps: No, no, no, no�this is a certain topic, and he adds to the color we�re given.

Martin: I know that, but I asked the question that way because not all of our readers

will be aware of the extent of the bibliography supporting the contentions of your

research in VATICAN ASSASSINS.

Phelps: Ok. The Jesuits want a unified Europe. The Bible‑believers of England are

greatly resisting it, but the Jesuit‑controlled Tony Blair will, ultimately, bring England into

that Union. And Bush is helping to co‑ordinate that, because the Federal Reserve Bank,

the largest bank in the world, is one of the greatest contributors, or players, in

international trading.

Martin: Are you saying that Alan Greenspan is a pawn of the Jesuit Order?

Phelps: Absolutely. Alan Greenspan is a Masonic Jewish Zionist and a pawn of the

Jesuit Order. And the Jesuits are very careful to have visible Jews at the head of the

Federal Reserve System so they can blame all the evils of the Federal Reserve Bank on

the Jews.

We�re never told, for example, that the head, right now, of the most powerful Federal

Reserve Bank�because there are 12 of them�in New York is a man named McDonough.

He�s an Irish Roman Catholic. He�s a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. He�s a

friend, a bosom‑buddy of O�Hare, who is the President and Jesuit of the 4th Vow of

Fordham University.

Why are we not told that about the Federal Reserve Bank? It�s always Jews, Jews,

Jews. Jews are just pawns. They�ve always been the bankers for the Pope. The Masonic

Jewish bankers are the bankers for the Pope. And before the Rothschild's, it was the

Fuggers.

Martin: Who are the College of Cardinals who choose the Pope?

Phelps: The College of Cardinals is REALLY the Roman Senate. The Pope is really the

Caesar. And so this military Caesar is elected by Roman Senators, as to who will be their

leader for World Government under the 7th Roman Caesar, who�s yet to come. And so,

the ones who do the electing are the Cardinals.

Martin: Now, those who see the current Pope see a very frail man. Has he served

well? Is that why he�s been allowed to stay on so long?

Phelps: He�s done very well. He�s served the Jesuit Order perfectly. This supposed rift

between him and Arrupe, and suppressing the Jesuits with their Liberation Theology in

Central America, is all for public consumption. That Pope is completely emasculated with

regard to the power of the Jesuit Order.

The Jesuit Order has proven its power with the Napoleonic Wars, the killing of Pope

Pius VI, the imprisoning of Pius VII, the restoration by Pius VII.

THE JESUIT ORDER IS OMNIPOTENT WHEN IT COMES TO THE PAPACY, AND THEY ARE

THE ONES IN POWER.

Just like Hitler fashioned his Third Reich around the Papacy, the Secret Police or the

SS were modeled after the Jesuits, and the Jesuits are the Secret Police of the Vatican

Empire. They keep things in order. Without the Jesuit Order, the Vatican and the Papacy

and the hierarchy would fall apart.

Martin: Who issued the Papal Bull suppressing the Jesuit Order?

Phelps: Pope Clement XIV.

Martin: Let�s talk about that.

Phelps: Pope Clement XIV was a Franciscan. His name was Ganganelli. He was

elected Pope due to the influence of the Bourbon monarchs�the Bourbon King of Spain,

the Bourbon King of France, and the Braganzas of Portugal. Those insisted that a Pope

would be brought to power who would suppress the Jesuit Order, because the Jesuits

were busy making billions in South America, and never gave a dime to the Portuguese

King and the Spanish King.

Martin: How were they making money in South America?

Phelps: They were making money in South America with their Reductions.

Martin: What are Reductions?

Phelps: Reductions are like communes; they�re like a Kibbutz in Israel or a commune in

Russia.

Martin: And what years are we talking about.

Phelps: We�re talking between 1600‑1750, roughly 150 years of these Reductions,

where these Garani Indians were putting hides and tallow and clocks and the Paraguay

herb and many, many commodities into international shipping and trade�which the

Jesuits shipped all around the world with their �Black Ships�, and had HUGE commercial

profits with which they started banks in Europe and then funded wars. And one of the

projects that they funded were the Napoleanic Wars.

Martin: This Pope, Ganganelli, suppressed the Jesuits with a Papal Bull?

Phelps: That�s right. Dominus Ac Redemptor. That was the Bull. That is its formal

name.

Martin: What is a Bull?

Phelps: A Bull is a legal document that the Pope speaks within his most powerful

method of speaking. It�s sealed with �the seal of the fishman�. A �brief� does not have

that seal. A brief is a less powerful document; it can be overruled with a Bull.

Martin: So, this Pope, in 1773, issued the Bull eliminating the Jesuit Order forever?

Phelps: Forever! After a 4‑year investigation of all their intrigues, of all their power,

of all their wealth, of all their buildings, everything, after a 4‑year investigation they

were abolished by Clement XIV. And, remember, Clement XIII was about to do the same

thing when, the night before, he was poisoned.

So, Clement XIV was brought to power then and, after a 4‑year investigation, he

suppresses them. And when he did so, he said: �This suppression will be my death.�

Martin: And it was.

Phelps: And it was�14 months later, he died. He was poisoned by the Jesuits with a

poison called Aquetta.

It�s a slow poison that caused his intestines to have terrible, terrible pain. And when

he was embalmed, the intestines exploded and they could not have an open‑casket for

viewing this Pope. The flesh fell off of his fingers; his fingernails turned black; his skin

turned black; all his hair fell out; so they decided they could not have an open display of

the Pope in his garb. So they had a closed casket.

Martin: So, this Papal Bull, which was a PERMANENT dismantling of the Jesuit Order,

was later overruled?

Phelps: Right.

Martin: Now, how can a permanent disbanding of the Order be overruled at all?

Phelps: The Jesuits came out and said this was not a Bull. Even though, according to

Thompson in his Footprints Of The Jesuits, and according the Cusack�s The Black Pope,

even though they said it was a Bull, and Thompson said it was in the Library of the Bulls

in Rome, even though it�s a Bull, the Jesuits came out and said it was a brief. And,

therefore, Pope Pius VII, upon their restoration, he instituted a Bull restoring the Jesuits,

which �overruled the brief�. That�s what they teach.

BUT THE FACT IS, THEIR SUPPRESSION WAS A BULL, AND THEIR [contrived]

RESTORATION WAS A BULL.

Martin: Ok, we�re jumping all over the place here, but we�re just going to go with the

flow. How did the Jesuits, in England, issue their instructions to the Queen? Where is

their seat of power in England, specifically?

Phelps: I believe their seat of power in England is Stonyhurst University. An English

Lord, Thomas Well, gives Stoneyhurst to the Jesuits in, I believe, 1795�about the time

of the French Revolution and just before the Napoleonic Wars.

Stonyhurst became their seat, their fortress from which they would control England.

And they were brought into England and helped at that by King George III. King George

was the bosom‑buddy of the Jesuits. And the English monarchs have been their

bosom‑buddy ever since. King George reigned for quite a few years; I believe he reigned

for nearly 40 years. And Victoria enjoyed the very same thing; she ruled from 1837‑1901.

So, through the rule of George and Victoria, they completely controlled England

through Stonyhurst. Today they run England through the Royal Institute for International

Affairs. And the Cardinal, who they rule through, is the Archbishop of Westminster.

So, they have the Archbishop of Westminster in England, and they have the

Archbishop of New York in the United States. They rule England through Stonyhurst.

They rule the United States through Georgetown and Fordham. They rule England

through the Royal Institute for International Affairs. They rule the United States through

the Council on Foreign Relations.

It�s an identical system in both countries because it is an Empire. It is a Vatican

Empire. That�s how they rule.

In Russia, they rule Moscow through the Patriarch of the Armenian Church. So, the

Patriarch is like the Archbishop in London and New York. And it�s the Patriarch, there in

Moscow, who oversees the KGB and the inquisition there, called the gulag. Agagianian

was the Patriarch who was appointed a Cardinal by Pope Pius XII, the very same year,

1946, that Cardinal Spellman was made Cardinal for the American Empire.

Martin: How does the Mafia figure into all of this?

Phelps: The Mafia is run by Italian Roman Catholics, Sicilians primarily. And the Mafia

takes care of all organized crime. They took care of the booze, before it was legalized.

They took care of prostitution, the drug running, gun running, all the crime is organized

by the Vatican, through the Mafia families�the five Mafia families of New York.

It�s interesting that the Mafia Commission out of New York is in the same location, and

not far from, the Archbishop of New York. So the Archbishop is very close to his mob

bosses.

Spellman used his mob bosses in the invasion of Sicily, using Lucky Luciano, called

Operation Underworld. Here�s Spellman working with Lucky Luciano for a �successful

Naval invasion� of Sicily, for which reason he is influential and causes the release of

Lucky Luciano in 1946 to go back to Italy. So we have the relationship of Cardinal

Spellman and the mob. And if Cardinal Spellman had that power, every Cardinal afterward

has the same power. They don�t lose any power.

Now, one of the most obvious connections between the Archbishop of New York and

the mob is Frank Sinatra. Frank Sinatra was a good bosom friend with Gambino. Gambino

was murdered with a vaccination, with a flu shot. They wanted him out of the way, so

they murdered him with a flu shot. Frank Sinatra was also a Knight of Malta, who is

subject, then, to the Archbishop of New York. So, you have the Archbishop controlling

the Knights of Malta. Frank Sinatra is one of them, and Frank Sinatra is a good friend of

a mafia don.

Martin: Let�s talk about Princess Diana. Do you think the Jesuits were behind her

take‑out?

Phelps: Absolutely, because the Jesuits control the British Secret Service.

Martin: Let�s talk about Princess Diana. Why was she a threat to the Jesuits?

Phelps: She was a threat in that if she had married a Moslem, Dodi Fayed, that would

have overturned the Throne of England, because she still had rights through her children.

Because her sons would one day occupy the British throne, and if she is alive with a

Moslem Prince as a husband, we have a problem in England. Because everybody knows

that the Queen Mother, really, has a lot of control over the King. And there would have

been an Islamic, Arab influence on the Queen, who would influence her son, who would

be King, who is now Prince.

Martin: So you think that the powers that be, within the Jesuit Order, knew that she

was pregnant with Dodi�s child?

Phelps: I believe so; and that�s why they got rid of her�absolutely. And they sent a

message to all the other British nobility by saying: �If you do this, we�re going to do the

same thing to you.� Furthermore, they buried her in the cemetery, on the Windsor

property, where only dogs are buried. She�s buried with dogs.

Martin: What kind of symbolism is that?

Phelps: Because she was a �Moslem dog� in their eyes.

Martin: In the recent June, 2001 issue of The SPECTRUM, we shared an article from

Sherman Skolnick in which he not only mentions the Jesuits, but he talks about the

incredible financial influence, and power, and control in California and elsewhere by the

Japanese Mafia, called the Yakuza. Is there any relationship between the Yakuza and the

Jesuits?

Phelps: Absolutely. The Jesuits control the Yakuza. To understand this, we have to go

back in the history of Japan. Japan had, wonderfully and righteously, expelled the Jesuits

from their Empire around 1619, give or take a few years. The Jesuits were forbidden to

ever enter Japan!

The Japanese, then, kicked‑out the Portuguese; they kicked‑out the Spanish. The

only ones who could ever trade with Japan were the Dutch, the Protestant Dutch. Well,

when the Jesuits were beginning to get control of our country, they got control of Polk.

And Polk was responsible for the sending of Commodore Perry to Japan.

Martin: What year?

Phelps: 1853‑1854. He then opens up Japan to international trade. So now

�foreigners� can enter into Japan. Foreigners then began an agitation and a revolution in

Japan. The reigning Emperor of Japan, who was a young man about 35, wanted to get rid

of the Jesuits and these foreign powers, so he was assassinated.

According to Ryu Ohta, my friend in Japan, the Japanese had been taught that he was

killed by Sassoon House�the Jews. But the Emperor was really killed by the Jesuits,

because the son of this Emperor later went on to rule Japan from 1873 to 1912, and this

Emperor was the grandfather to Hirohito.

This Emperor was a young boy at the time he came to power. He ruled for all those

years. The Jesuits during that time dis‑established the Buddhists as a state religion, and

made tremendous inroads in power in Japan, controlling the Dynasty, because they were

going to use Japan to foment a war with the United States for the purpose of eliminating

as much Buddhism as they could from the Far East, and weakening the American

Protestants, and many other purposes, such as killing off Protestant missionaries in the

Far East�whereas the Japanese Army never persecuted the Catholic missionaries. And

this is according to the Jesuits� own magazine America, written and published in 1943 or

1944.

This is where the Jesuits got their power over the Emperor, and thus the Yakuza. So

now, the Jesuits have that power, they maintain that power. They maintained power

over Hirohito. And thus, they have power over the Yakuza today, in Japan and California.

Martin: There was a book written many years ago called Tai Pan. Now, would a Tai

Pan, symbolically, be the equivalent of the Black Pope?

Phelps: Sure. It�s a Secret Society. It�s a Japanese Secret Society that really rules.

Martin: Theoretically they would rule independently.

Phelps: They rule together with the Monarch.

Martin: Which would be the real Black Pope?

Phelps: The Black Pope. Remember, the Black Pope is in control of the Monarch of

Japan.

Martin: We need to explain to our readers that the Jesuit Order is NOT a religious

order, it is a MILITARY ORDER.

Phelps: It is a military order. When they dawn religious garb to get into a country to

talk about Christ and God and so forth, they really want to capture the power and

wealth of every country, to submit every country to the temporal, Earthly, political

power of the Pope.

Martin: I don�t want to get too far off‑subject here, but would you say �As with the

Jews, so with the Yakuza�?

Phelps: Correct. As with the Masonic Jewish Zionists, so with the Masonic Yakuza.

They�re all Masonic. Masonry unites all religions into one.

Martin: And behind the scenes the Jesuits are pulling the strings?

Phelps: Pulling the strings because they wrote all of the Masonic rites.

Martin: For our Masonic scholars out there, on what do you base that?

Phelps: We know that, according to several citations I reference in the book

VATICAN ASSASSINS, the Jesuits wrote the first 25 degrees of the Scottish Rite

Freemasonry, from the College of Clermont, which was changed to the College of Louis

LeGrand, in Paris, France.

Martin: What year?

Phelps: 1754. That is a fact. The Jesuits wrote those rites.

Martin: Do you have any names behind that?

Phelps: Oh, I believe Chevalier Ramsey was, Chevalier de Bonneville was one.

Remember the Bonneville automobile, and Pontiac? Those were Jesuits. And we have

Adam Weishaupt, who was a Jesuit, who was a Mason. And it was the Rothschild

Luciferians. So we have many dovetails of the Jesuits being Freemasons.

And we know, according to our hero Alberto Rivera, that Pedro Arrupe was a Mason,

and Pedro Arrupe was a Jesuit General. Pedro Arrupe was a Mason AND in the Communist

Party of Spain when he was a Jesuit General.

So, we also know that the Jesuits were involved in the writing of the last 8 degrees of

Scottish Rite Freemasonry, with Fredrick the Great in Prussia, while Fredrick protected

the Jesuits and gave them the ability to live in his country, while they were being

suppressed by the Pope.

Martin: Let�s circle back around to the Yakuza. According to Skolnick, the Yakuza

own many, many businesses in this country, many, many banks are owned and controlled

in California and elsewhere by the Yakuza. Now, are you saying that�s just a front?

Phelps: They�re just a front, like any other Mafia, like the Italian Mafia, which is the

foremost Mafia in organized crime.

Martin: Which J. Edgar Hoover said �Didn�t exist.�!

Phelps: Which he said didn�t exist. It�s all baloney. It is just a front. They hold the

property, they hold the money for the Vatican.

Martin: So the Yakuza would be the 3rd trusted party that we talked about?

Phelps: That�s right, they�re the 3rd trusted party. And I tend to also believe that

there is some kind of hand involved in the murder of Bruce Lee with this. Bruce Lee was

not going along with the Catholic Church.

Martin: And he was giving away secrets.

Phelps: He was giving away martial arts secrets, and so on, and he was not going

along with the Vatican. Remember, he had a rift with Hollywood, and most of his films

were made in Hong Kong.

Martin: And his son was also killed not long ago.

Phelps: His son was then killed on a movie‑making set also. So his son knew

something. And evidently, just like Jackie Kennedy, Linda Lee doesn�t open her mouth. So

there are two murders here that the Secret Societies are involved in.

Martin: You don�t talk too much about Bobby Kennedy. Has your research uncovered

any names behind Bobby Kennedy�s assassination?

Phelps: Well, we know that Officer Thane Eugene Cesar really pulled the trigger, shot

him in the back of the head with a twenty‑two. And Officer Cesar was an employee for

Lockheed Corporation. The Jesuits, according to Avro Manhattan, control Lockheed.

So, just as Lee Iacocca dispatches his security chief to drive the bullet‑ridden

limousine of Kennedy from Washington to Cincinnati to get repaired, even so, some

Knight of Malta in charge of Lockheed Corporation, I don�t know who it was, dispatches

Officer Cesar to be a guard of Robert F. Kennedy�who then, in turn, shoots and kills

him. And Sirhan was a scapegoat, just like Oswald was a scapegoat.

Martin: What do you have to say about Earl Warren?

Phelps: Earl Warren was in the hands of the Jesuits when he was the governor of

California. Earl Warren was one of the sinister individuals behind that evil and terrible

Japanese concentration camp system. That was his brainchild. He was behind the

anti‑Jap agitation in World War II.

The Japanese are decent, law‑abiding, peaceful people, for the most part. They had

all their farms taken from them. They were in control of all of the produce, and they had

it all stolen from them by Roman Catholic, Knight of Malta‑controlled corporations�just

as was done to the American Indian. They went into their burial grounds and stole all

their gold, and used their missions to send it back to Rome.

So, Earl Warren was a part of this. He was a good boy, so they named him and put

him on the Supreme Court. He was the Chief Justice.

He was a 33rd‑degree Freemason involved in the Kennedy assassination, forced

amalgamation, forced race‑mixing with the Supreme Court decision in 1966, forced

integration with the Brown vs. The Board Of Education in 1954.

Martin: I�m going to ask you now a very important question, one that will be on the

minds of many people: Why should our readers not feel that you are merely substituting

the word JESUITS for JEWS in terms of fomenting hatred and animosity toward Jesuit

people? Why is that not so?

Phelps: Well, first of all, there�s a tremendous difference between the Jesuit Order

and the Jewish race.

We don�t know exactly who the Jewish race is. I sure don�t know. I think only God

knows who it is. But it�s a civilization of people who are engaged in commerce and trade,

and they have cultures, they have communities.

Jesuits are an army. They�re soldiers. They�re under oath. When you become

professed of the 4th Degree, they give you The Secret Instructions.

According to another gentleman, he says there�s a degree beyond the 4th Degree,

where it�s absolute Luciferianism. This is according to Jim Arrabito, who died mysteriously

in a plane crash in Alaska on September 2, 1990. Jim Arrabito was one of the chief guys

in the Seventh Day Adventists, and he was a master of Jesuit history. You can get his

videos, Secrets Of The Jesuits, from L.L.M. Productions.

But anyway, the difference between the Jews and the Jesuits is strictly�one is a

people, and one is an Order determined to subvert all nations to the jurisdiction of the

Pope.

And, in light of the documents that I provide with the book version of VATICAN

ASSASSINS�I have over 4,000 pages on CD‑ROM, with four distinct different histories

showing the history of the Order�that�s exactly what they were doing then, and that�s

exactly what they�re doing now.

Martin: So what�s different about what you�re saying? Rather than just being another

wild conspiracy theory, it�s your position that you�ve really proven that this is a fact, and

not fantasy?

Phelps: Other men have proven the fact. I just reiterate what they�ve said.

If you read The Black Pope, by Cusack, she says the very same thing. She was a nun,

a converted nun to Christ in 1896.

Martin: And why is she so important?

Phelps: Because she was a nun intimately involved with priests, and especially

Jesuits, prior to her conversion to Christ. She would know; she was on the inside.

Martin: Why is that book so important?

Phelps: Because it has been suppressed and stolen out of every library in the world!

There is only one in existence that I know of, that�s publicly accessible, and that is in

the British Museum.

It�s also accessible on the CD‑ROM included with the book VATICAN ASSASSINS, for

those of your readers who would like it. But, other than that, it�s a suppressed

document. Griesinger, Thompson, Cusack, Nicolini�those are the four major histories of

the Jesuit Order, and all four are on the CD‑ROM [along with a number of other rare and

otherwise �missing� research documents].

Martin: So you�re saying that the time‑lines that you put forth, and the conclusions

that you draw, are really based on historical experts over the last two centuries? This is

not just your position?

Phelps: Absolutely. I�m standing on the shoulders of giants, as a little cricket. These

people are brilliant and Godly. Nicolini, an Italian Roman Catholic, converted to Christ,

involved in the Italian Revolution of 1848, had to flee for his life, was in exile in England,

and there he wrote his great History Of The Jesuits, warning England that if the Jesuits

sought to destroy England under Elizabeth, they would surely do the same thing under

Victoria.

Martin: And they have.

Phelps: And they have. We have the great Theodor Griesinger, who was the great

German who wrote The Jesuits as a history told by the German people�823 pages of

meticulous documentation of all their doings in all the countries. And he was the one, I

learned, who said the Jesuits could very well be planning a second Thirty‑Years War,

another Thirty‑Years War. And he wrote that, the second edition was in 1873.

[Editor�s note: And remember that the second bloody and diabolical �Thirty‑Years

War� did indeed happen, between 1914 and 1945, as Eric mentioned earlier in this

interview in conjunction with financing it through the setting up of the Federal Reserve

Bank fraud.]

So, these learned people have made quite clear and quite evident the purpose and

power of the Jesuit Order.

We haven�t had anybody in the 20th Century write an extensive history of what

they�ve accomplished from 1900‑2000. I would hope that somebody who knows these

histories, who knows grammar and spelling and is able to write nice prose (unlike myself)

would be able to do this, and write a real modern history of this. Ridpath came close to

it, but he ended his work in the mid‑1850s, with his Ridpath�s Universal History [Of The

World]. We have not had a significant historian do this modern work for us.

Martin: And why is that?

Phelps: Because these Jesuits have all these colleges and universities bought and

paid for! And these universities won�t get grants if they start to expose the Jesuit Order.

Now, with all these �hate crime� laws, anything truthfully said about the Jesuit Order

will generate attempts to contort it into some kind of a hate crime, which is NOT what

we�re doing. We are merely telling the truth.

Martin: What is your solution to the Jesuit problem in America? What would you like to

see, ultimately, happen in this country?

Phelps: In this country, what I would like to see happen is exactly what happened in

England in the 16th Century, when several Jesuits left the Order. They were intelligent,

powerful Jesuits, involved in the conspiracy to overthrow England.

They told the powers‑that‑be about what they were supposed to do, and as a result,

the government of England expelled the Jesuits from their dominions, because they were

regarded as traitors and conspirators in the overthrow of legitimate government�of

self‑rule, of nationalism; a country should be ruled by its own people.

The solution here would be the expulsion of the Jesuit Order, that they would be

outlawed and banned.

There would be period of grace where certain Jesuits could come forward, tell what

they know. But why would the Jesuits want to do that when this government is

controlled by the Council on Foreign Relations, which is controlled by the Jesuits? The

government is controlled by the Jesuits through the mob and high‑level Freemasonry.

Martin: Proposing the expulsion of the Jesuits, the difference between that and racial

persecution, such as with the Jews, yours is based on treason, which is a lawful

conclusion based on your research concerning what their true aims and objectives

are�namely, the overthrow of this government.

Phelps: The usurping of this government, the controlling of this government for their

own purposes. And then using this government, with a coalition of other governments

they control, for the annihilation of the �heretic� and �liberal� population of this country,

pursuant to the Council of Trent, that every Pope swears upon his coronation to uphold.

Martin: Thank you so much for taking this time to clarify these many points about the

Jesuit Order. Our readers will really appreciate this as you offer much food for both

thought AND action!

Note: The following is extracted from the July 10, 2001 issue of The SPECTRUM

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